Whoa!! 6 to 12 injections a month? Really? That’s insane. Time to find something else I think. I’ve had tennis elbow for the last 1.5 years. It sucks. The last resort for me was an injection. I went thru ibuprofen, vioxx, something else?(i don’t remember), naproxen, all of them had some side effects I wasn’t willing to live with. Vioxx made me really drowsy and didn’t help at all. Ibuprofen upset my stomach. Naproxen works ok, but I can only take a couple every few days or so. I got 1 injection and it’s the last time I’ll do that again.  My arm locked into a bent position for about a week after the injection.  I couldn’t straighten it without intense pain. Luckily it was bent in a position that I could still play bass. I took Rob Kloka’s advice and keep my body lubricated. (drink lots of water) I was ok for about 3 months and then it flared up even worse. I went back to the doctor, he pissed me off and I haven’t been back since. He tried prescribing me all the same stuff I tried in the past (don’t they keep records?) and then immediately went for the needle.  I asked if there was any exercises or alternative methods that I could try instead of injections. He gave me some tennis elbow pamphlet and offered no advice. I fucked off and never went back. That was last February. Currently I drink lots of water, take the occasional naproxen, stretch, and ice. A friend of mine tried an alternative called SCENAR. It worked for him. Try doing a search for it. I haven’t tried it yet, but it seems harmless. Others swear by glucosamine. I haven’t tried it yet either. IT may be worth your while looking into alternatives. I certainly would try anything before going under the knife. Jay S

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to twelve monthly > cortisone injections have kept it under control and reduced the pain to a minimum. > Recently, though, the left elbow (fret hand) has ceased to respond to the injections. > My doctor has suggested surgery, which he says is a "last resort" strategy.  He warns > that I may not be able to do much for about six months after the operation, and that > full articulation of elbow and wrist joints may never return.  He knows I play bass > (he is a guitar player) and is reluctant to offer any hope of regaining full movement > of my left hand.  The alternative is larger and more frequent injections which may > eventually weaken the tissue to such an extent that even surgery may not be an > option.  So that’s the choice I have to make.  Or gamble. > Has anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various treatments available? > I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking lines, and I could not bear > the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks like decision time one way or another. > Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. > Ian

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That should have read "six to twelve monthly", that is once to twice a year!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Whoa!! > 6 to 12 injections a month? Really? > That’s insane. > Time to find something else I think. > I’ve had tennis elbow for the last 1.5 years. It sucks. > The last resort for me was an injection. > I went thru ibuprofen, vioxx, something else?(i don’t remember), naproxen, > all of them had some side effects I wasn’t willing to live with. > Vioxx made me really drowsy and didn’t help at all. Ibuprofen upset my > stomach. Naproxen works ok, but I can only take a couple every few days or > so. > I got 1 injection and it’s the last time I’ll do that again. >  My arm locked into a bent position for about a week after the injection. >  I couldn’t straighten it without intense pain. Luckily it was bent in a > position that I could still play bass. > I took Rob Kloka’s advice and keep my body lubricated. (drink lots of water) > I was ok for about 3 months and then it flared up even worse. I went back to > the doctor, he pissed me off and I haven’t been back since. > He tried prescribing me all the same stuff I tried in the past (don’t they > keep records?) and then immediately went for the needle.  I asked if there > was any exercises or alternative methods that I could try instead of > injections. He gave me some tennis elbow pamphlet and offered no advice. > I fucked off and never went back. That was last February. > Currently I drink lots of water, take the occasional naproxen, stretch, and > ice. > A friend of mine tried an alternative called SCENAR. It worked for him. Try > doing a search for it. > I haven’t tried it yet, but it seems harmless. > Others swear by glucosamine. I haven’t tried it yet either. > IT may be worth your while looking into alternatives. > I certainly would try anything before going under the knife. > Jay S > For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to twelve > monthly > cortisone injections have kept it under control and reduced the pain to a > minimum. > Recently, though, the left elbow (fret hand) has ceased to respond to the > injections. > My doctor has suggested surgery, which he says is a "last resort" > strategy.  He warns > that I may not be able to do much for about six months after the > operation, and that > full articulation of elbow and wrist joints may never return.  He knows I > play bass > (he is a guitar player) and is reluctant to offer any hope of regaining > full movement > of my left hand.  The alternative is larger and more frequent injections > which may > eventually weaken the tissue to such an extent that even surgery may not > be an > option.  So that’s the choice I have to make.  Or gamble. > Has anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various treatments > available? > I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking lines, and I > could not bear > the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks like decision time one way or > another. > Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. > Ian

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It would be cool if you could get your health insurance company (gov’t?) to pay for it. Chiropractors aren’t as bad as they sound at all. At first, it might seem scary, but it’s no big deal. The theory behind it all is that a misalignment of the spine leads to complications in the rest of the body, either as a direct result or as a result of your body trying to compensate. I’d really look at all options before I let someone start cutting on me. Nothing wrong with short scales. I’ve always been a fan of them, have been enamoured of my old Framus small body Star bass forever, and have just seriously gotten into long scale basses within the past couple of years. Neal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Thanks, Neal and RW.  As I mentioned above, I think the biggest problem I have with > repetitive stress is, or has been, driving too much, but that will soon change.  I > have to confess that I am warming towards alternative therapies, particularly > acupuncture.  I am less convinced by chiropractic, probably because I know Jack about > it and it just sounds so excruciating.  I am inclined to leave it and hope that > driving less leads to some improvement and then, if not, try something else. > Actually I really like short-scales, so perhaps this is an opportunity to justify the > purchase of a Mustang as a medical necessity! > Regards, > Ian >Yes, Prefer alternate treatment I would say as well. Besides what Neal >said, EITHER WAY  you will probably be forced to rest the arm for >periods of time.  Ask your Dr. about a pain killer like vioxx >(long-acting-aspirin-like), and when you do play, change completely how >you wear your guitar.  For example, wear it ridiculously low (like the >punkers), and/or, since it is your fret arm, switch to a (gasp) short >scale instrument for a while. Look at other areas of your life, for >example, lay off the computer, or put the keyboard higher or lower, >change how you do things at work. At least this is the kind of thing >that helps my own repetitive stress problems (if RSS is the cause… >gout can also cause this). Once it clears up, frequently (every few >weeks) go from wearing the instrument high to wearing it low (etc) to >keep from reinjury and carry a squeeze ball in your pocket for frequent >mild exercise in various arm positions. >RW–Old Guy With Many Pains and Old Injuries. >>>For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to >>>twelve monthly >>>cortisone injections have kept it under control and reduced the pain >>>to a minimum. >>>Recently, though, the left elbow (fret hand) has ceased to respond to >>>the injections. >>>My doctor has suggested surgery, which he says is a "last resort" >>>strategy.  He warns >>>that I may not be able to do much for about six months after the >>>operation, and that >>>full articulation of elbow and wrist joints may never return.  He >>>knows I play bass >>>(he is a guitar player) and is reluctant to offer any hope of >>>regaining full movement >>>of my left hand.  The alternative is larger and more frequent >>>injections which may >>>eventually weaken the tissue to such an extent that even surgery may >>>not be an >>>option.  So that’s the choice I have to make.  Or gamble. >>>Has anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various >>>treatments available? >>>I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking lines, and >>>I could not bear >>>the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks like decision time one >>>way or another. >>>Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. >>>Ian >>You have my sympathy. I had the same problem from one of my other >>occupations and was lucky enough to have an extremely talented >>chiropractor who treated it with manipulation and ultra-sonic. It went >>away and never came back. >>Were I you, I’d explore some alternative treatment options. I don’t >>let anyone open this package without direct authorization from the >>manufacturer. I don’t believe surgery will result in a cure, but >>rather in unforseen complications. >>Good luck, >>Neal >>Neal Pollack >>The Bad Habit Allstars >>http://www.badhabitallstars.com >>Carbondale, CO, USA

– Neal Pollack The Bad Habit Allstars http://www.badhabitallstars.com Carbondale, CO, USA

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Thanks, Neal and RW.  As I mentioned above, I think the biggest problem I have with repetitive stress is, or has been, driving too much, but that will soon change.  I have to confess that I am warming towards alternative therapies, particularly acupuncture.  I am less convinced by chiropractic, probably because I know Jack about it and it just sounds so excruciating.  I am inclined to leave it and hope that driving less leads to some improvement and then, if not, try something else. Actually I really like short-scales, so perhaps this is an opportunity to justify the purchase of a Mustang as a medical necessity! Regards, Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Yes, Prefer alternate treatment I would say as well. Besides what Neal > said, EITHER WAY  you will probably be forced to rest the arm for > periods of time.  Ask your Dr. about a pain killer like vioxx > (long-acting-aspirin-like), and when you do play, change completely how > you wear your guitar.  For example, wear it ridiculously low (like the > punkers), and/or, since it is your fret arm, switch to a (gasp) short > scale instrument for a while. Look at other areas of your life, for > example, lay off the computer, or put the keyboard higher or lower, > change how you do things at work. At least this is the kind of thing > that helps my own repetitive stress problems (if RSS is the cause… > gout can also cause this). Once it clears up, frequently (every few > weeks) go from wearing the instrument high to wearing it low (etc) to > keep from reinjury and carry a squeeze ball in your pocket for frequent > mild exercise in various arm positions. > RW–Old Guy With Many Pains and Old Injuries. >> For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to >> twelve monthly >> cortisone injections have kept it under control and reduced the pain >> to a minimum. >> Recently, though, the left elbow (fret hand) has ceased to respond to >> the injections. >> My doctor has suggested surgery, which he says is a "last resort" >> strategy.  He warns >> that I may not be able to do much for about six months after the >> operation, and that >> full articulation of elbow and wrist joints may never return.  He >> knows I play bass >> (he is a guitar player) and is reluctant to offer any hope of >> regaining full movement >> of my left hand.  The alternative is larger and more frequent >> injections which may >> eventually weaken the tissue to such an extent that even surgery may >> not be an >> option.  So that’s the choice I have to make.  Or gamble. >> Has anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various >> treatments available? >> I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking lines, and >> I could not bear >> the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks like decision time one >> way or another. >> Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. >> Ian > You have my sympathy. I had the same problem from one of my other > occupations and was lucky enough to have an extremely talented > chiropractor who treated it with manipulation and ultra-sonic. It went > away and never came back. > Were I you, I’d explore some alternative treatment options. I don’t > let anyone open this package without direct authorization from the > manufacturer. I don’t believe surgery will result in a cure, but > rather in unforseen complications. > Good luck, > Neal > Neal Pollack > The Bad Habit Allstars > http://www.badhabitallstars.com > Carbondale, CO, USA

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Yes, Prefer alternate treatment I would say as well. Besides what Neal said, EITHER WAY  you will probably be forced to rest the arm for periods of time.  Ask your Dr. about a pain killer like vioxx (long-acting-aspirin-like), and when you do play, change completely how you wear your guitar.  For example, wear it ridiculously low (like the punkers), and/or, since it is your fret arm, switch to a (gasp) short scale instrument for a while. Look at other areas of your life, for example, lay off the computer, or put the keyboard higher or lower, change how you do things at work. At least this is the kind of thing that helps my own repetitive stress problems (if RSS is the cause… gout can also cause this). Once it clears up, frequently (every few weeks) go from wearing the instrument high to wearing it low (etc) to keep from reinjury and carry a squeeze ball in your pocket for frequent mild exercise in various arm positions.   RW–Old Guy With Many Pains and Old Injuries. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to > twelve monthly > cortisone injections have kept it under control and reduced the pain > to a minimum. > Recently, though, the left elbow (fret hand) has ceased to respond to > the injections. > My doctor has suggested surgery, which he says is a "last resort" > strategy.  He warns > that I may not be able to do much for about six months after the > operation, and that > full articulation of elbow and wrist joints may never return.  He > knows I play bass > (he is a guitar player) and is reluctant to offer any hope of > regaining full movement > of my left hand.  The alternative is larger and more frequent > injections which may > eventually weaken the tissue to such an extent that even surgery may > not be an > option.  So that’s the choice I have to make.  Or gamble. > Has anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various > treatments available? > I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking lines, and > I could not bear > the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks like decision time one > way or another. > Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. > Ian > You have my sympathy. I had the same problem from one of my other > occupations and was lucky enough to have an extremely talented > chiropractor who treated it with manipulation and ultra-sonic. It went > away and never came back. > Were I you, I’d explore some alternative treatment options. I don’t > let anyone open this package without direct authorization from the > manufacturer. I don’t believe surgery will result in a cure, but > rather in unforseen complications. > Good luck, > Neal > Neal Pollack > The Bad Habit Allstars > http://www.badhabitallstars.com > Carbondale, CO, USA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to twelve monthly > cortisone injections have kept it under control and reduced the pain to a minimum. > Recently, though, the left elbow (fret hand) has ceased to respond to the injections. > My doctor has suggested surgery, which he says is a "last resort" strategy.  He warns > that I may not be able to do much for about six months after the operation, and that > full articulation of elbow and wrist joints may never return.  He knows I play bass > (he is a guitar player) and is reluctant to offer any hope of regaining full movement > of my left hand.  The alternative is larger and more frequent injections which may > eventually weaken the tissue to such an extent that even surgery may not be an > option.  So that’s the choice I have to make.  Or gamble. > Has anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various treatments available? > I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking lines, and I could not bear > the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks like decision time one way or another. > Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. > Ian

You have my sympathy. I had the same problem from one of my other occupations and was lucky enough to have an extremely talented chiropractor who treated it with manipulation and ultra-sonic. It went away and never came back. Were I you, I’d explore some alternative treatment options. I don’t let anyone open this package without direct authorization from the manufacturer. I don’t believe surgery will result in a cure, but rather in unforseen complications. Good luck, Neal Neal Pollack The Bad Habit Allstars http://www.badhabitallstars.com Carbondale, CO, USA

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Thank you for that insight.  Being a trusting sort of fellow, and an engineer who deals in mechanical absolutes, I have not considered seeking an alternative opinion about suitable treatment or therapy.  Perhaps I should.  I take your point about finding a way to play anyway;  Django Reinhardt, for example, but it’s as much as I can do to play half competently with all the bits working!  At least I cook right handed. Thanks, Ian

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I also have a ganglia in my left wrist that has been there since 2 weeks > after I bought my first bass (my sister closed the dishwasher door on my > hand).  The doctor was all ready to have it removed, then when I mentioned > that I played bass, he said that we could find another way to deal with > it. > I had a similar situation to yours, albeit much less serious, a few years > ago, with tendonitis, and I was lucky enough to have a doctor who played, > and we were able to correct the problem by changing things about how I > used my hands.  You may or may not be able to do something similar.  Keep > in mind though, that the first thing I did (or did not do) was stop > playing, or doing anything to aggravate the condition for about 8 weeks. > That made a huge difference to recovering, though I think I was supposed > to wait 12 weeks. > And then, a few years later, I cut the nerve at the top joint of my left > thumb, and now I only really feel anything on the top of the outside of > that thumb(where the thumb rests behind the neck) as either a dull, tingly > sensation (normally), or throbbing pain (if it gets tapped on just the > right spot). > None of which is meant to sound depressing.  All of this stuff happened > before I did anything of any consequence as a player, in fact, before I > was even what I would now call competent.  I don’t even think about any of > these issues now, and they don’t affect my playing one whit.  I dragged > all this up to make two points: >  - Regardless of what happens, if you want to play, you will find a way. >  That’s not a challenge, it’s just a fact. – my first advice would be a >  second opinion, and maybe a third. > I’m not trying to question anything about your current doctor.  It’s a > real plus that he understands this stuff from a player’s perspective, but > there may be treatments and therapies around that are simply outside his > field.  It’s pretty hard for anyone to keep on top of this stuff, and even > harder for a GP, who has a lot of stuff to read up on, some of which may > be more pressing than your condition. > Have you been to a sports medicine doctor? They can often have insight > into RSI’s, and how to treat them, beyond just treating the condition once > it reaches an unworkable state.  As well, they might have access to > surgeons who really specialise in this kind of work, and might be able to > lower the risk of damage. > I wish you the best of luck.  This is a tough situation, and I hope that > it works out well for you. > For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to > twelve monthly cortisone injections have kept it under control Has > anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various treatments > available? I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking > lines, and I could not bear the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks > like decision time one way or another. Thanks for sharing your > experience and advice. Ian

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Thanks, Steve, I guess that general health and still being able to play are not incompatible, so I may have to opt for the surgery and hope for the best.  I’m sure that playing bass counts as rehabilitative physiotherapy! Ian.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to twelve > monthly > cortisone injections have kept it under control and reduced the pain to a > minimum. > Recently, though, the left elbow (fret hand) has ceased to respond to the > injections. > My doctor has suggested surgery, which he says is a "last resort" > strategy.  He warns > that I may not be able to do much for about six months after the > operation, and that > full articulation of elbow and wrist joints may never return.  He knows I > play bass > (he is a guitar player) and is reluctant to offer any hope of regaining > full movement > of my left hand.  The alternative is larger and more frequent injections > which may > eventually weaken the tissue to such an extent that even surgery may not > be an > option.  So that’s the choice I have to make.  Or gamble. > Has anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various treatments > available? > I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking lines, and I > could not bear > the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks like decision time one way or > another. > Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. > Ian > Sorry for the predicament you find yourself in. > If you’re going to gamble I’d err on the side of general health as opposed > to being able to play bass so I’d say have the op…constant injections will > only mask the inevitable and the damage will be permanent and irreversable. > SR

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Ian, I cringe every time I hear about someone being on cortisone… It only masks the problem but does not fix it… Doctors have no clue some times other than to serve the interest of the pharmaceutical companies who finance the medical colleges where they studied… Have you try acupuncture? I think so called alternative medicine might have a solution for you. Wishing you the best JP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to twelve monthly > cortisone injections have kept it under control and reduced the pain to a minimum. > Recently, though, the left elbow (fret hand) has ceased to respond to the injections. > My doctor has suggested surgery, which he says is a "last resort" strategy.  He warns > that I may not be able to do much for about six months after the operation, and that > full articulation of elbow and wrist joints may never return.  He knows I play bass > (he is a guitar player) and is reluctant to offer any hope of regaining full movement > of my left hand.  The alternative is larger and more frequent injections which may > eventually weaken the tissue to such an extent that even surgery may not be an > option.  So that’s the choice I have to make.  Or gamble. > Has anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various treatments available? > I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking lines, and I could not bear > the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks like decision time one way or another. > Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. > Ian

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No, I haven’t, but it’s worth considering.  I have no complaint about my doc’s treatment – he was happy to keep up the injections all the time they worked, and so was I.  But now they don’t, different situation. Thank you for your suggestion, Ian

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ian, I cringe every time I hear about someone being on cortisone… It only > masks the problem but does not fix it… Doctors have no clue some times > other than to serve the interest of the pharmaceutical companies who finance > the medical colleges where they studied… > Have you try acupuncture? I think so called alternative medicine might have > a solution for you. > Wishing you the best > JP > For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to twelve > monthly > cortisone injections have kept it under control and reduced the pain to a > minimum. > Recently, though, the left elbow (fret hand) has ceased to respond to the > injections. > My doctor has suggested surgery, which he says is a "last resort" > strategy.  He warns > that I may not be able to do much for about six months after the > operation, and that > full articulation of elbow and wrist joints may never return.  He knows I > play bass > (he is a guitar player) and is reluctant to offer any hope of regaining > full movement > of my left hand.  The alternative is larger and more frequent injections > which may > eventually weaken the tissue to such an extent that even surgery may not > be an > option.  So that’s the choice I have to make.  Or gamble. > Has anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various treatments > available? > I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking lines, and I > could not bear > the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks like decision time one way or > another. > Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. > Ian

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I also have a ganglia in my left wrist that has been there since 2 weeks after I bought my first bass (my sister closed the dishwasher door on my hand).  The doctor was all ready to have it removed, then when I mentioned that I played bass, he said that we could find another way to deal with it. I had a similar situation to yours, albeit much less serious, a few years ago, with tendonitis, and I was lucky enough to have a doctor who played, and we were able to correct the problem by changing things about how I used my hands.  You may or may not be able to do something similar.  Keep in mind though, that the first thing I did (or did not do) was stop playing, or doing anything to aggravate the condition for about 8 weeks. That made a huge difference to recovering, though I think I was supposed to wait 12 weeks. And then, a few years later, I cut the nerve at the top joint of my left thumb, and now I only really feel anything on the top of the outside of that thumb(where the thumb rests behind the neck) as either a dull, tingly sensation (normally), or throbbing pain (if it gets tapped on just the right spot). None of which is meant to sound depressing.  All of this stuff happened before I did anything of any consequence as a player, in fact, before I was even what I would now call competent.  I don’t even think about any of these issues now, and they don’t affect my playing one whit.  I dragged all this up to make two points:  - Regardless of what happens, if you want to play, you will find a way.  That’s not a challenge, it’s just a fact. – my first advice would be a  second opinion, and maybe a third. I’m not trying to question anything about your current doctor.  It’s a real plus that he understands this stuff from a player’s perspective, but there may be treatments and therapies around that are simply outside his field.  It’s pretty hard for anyone to keep on top of this stuff, and even harder for a GP, who has a lot of stuff to read up on, some of which may be more pressing than your condition. Have you been to a sports medicine doctor? They can often have insight into RSI’s, and how to treat them, beyond just treating the condition once it reaches an unworkable state.  As well, they might have access to surgeons who really specialise in this kind of work, and might be able to lower the risk of damage. I wish you the best of luck.  This is a tough situation, and I hope that it works out well for you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to > twelve monthly cortisone injections have kept it under control Has > anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various treatments > available? I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking > lines, and I could not bear the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks > like decision time one way or another. Thanks for sharing your > experience and advice. Ian

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to twelve monthly > cortisone injections have kept it under control and reduced the pain to a minimum. > Recently, though, the left elbow (fret hand) has ceased to respond to the injections. > My doctor has suggested surgery, which he says is a "last resort" strategy.  He warns > that I may not be able to do much for about six months after the operation, and that > full articulation of elbow and wrist joints may never return.  He knows I play bass > (he is a guitar player) and is reluctant to offer any hope of regaining full movement > of my left hand.  The alternative is larger and more frequent injections which may > eventually weaken the tissue to such an extent that even surgery may not be an > option.  So that’s the choice I have to make.  Or gamble. > Has anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various treatments available? > I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking lines, and I could not bear > the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks like decision time one way or another. > Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. > Ian

Sorry for the predicament you find yourself in. If you’re going to gamble I’d err on the side of general health as opposed to being able to play bass so I’d say have the op…constant injections will only mask the inevitable and the damage will be permanent and irreversable. SR

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Thanks, Geoff.  If there is any habitual behaviour that I can blame it must be driving 35 miles each way to work every day on one of the most crowded  bits of freeway in UK, like the QE and the Peace Bridge on a Sunday, only worse. Redundancy has recently released me from that chore, so I am hoping to find a job closer to home.  It doesn’t help that most cars are stick-shift here. I, too, cannot imagine not being able to play, so I hope I can find some resolution. Does playing my daughter’s short-scale count as "altering position"? Regards, Ian

I suffered with tennis elbow for about 6 months. None of the therapies suggested worked so I went about stopping the behavior that caused the problem. It took a while to figure out but it was playing my bass while seated in front of my computer. I like to download midi files and play along with them to build my sight reading skills. The bass tends to sit high on my chest vs down low when playing live. Problem went away soon after. Look at all of the activities you spend a lot of time at like bass, computer, driving, etc and alter your postion. It might help. I’m sure you’ve read about the problem and its pathology is something like this: 1. tendon or ligament gets stressed and lining get inflamed causing soreness. 2. Repeated injury can cause lining to bleed. 3. constant bleeding causes calcification which can also irritate the lining. 4. Then you’ll need surgery to scrape the calcification off. This can weaken the tendon if it gets nicked. I really hope everything works out for you, Ian. I can’t imagine giving up music. Even after surgery, if the cause is still present in your life, the process could repeat itself. Geoff Boulden Sunny Buffalo

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I suffered with tennis elbow for about 6 months. None of the therapies suggested worked so I went about stopping the behavior that caused the problem. It took a while to figure out but it was playing my bass while seated in front of my computer. I like to download midi files and play along with them to build my sight reading skills. The bass tends to sit high on my chest vs down low when playing live. Problem went away soon after. Look at all of the activities you spend a lot of time at like bass, computer, driving, etc and alter your postion. It might help. I’m sure you’ve read about the problem and its pathology is something like this: 1. tendon or ligament gets stressed and lining get inflamed causing soreness. 2. Repeated injury can cause lining to bleed. 3. constant bleeding causes calcification which can also irritate the lining. 4. Then you’ll need surgery to scrape the calcification off. This can weaken the tendon if it gets nicked. I really hope everything works out for you, Ian. I can’t imagine giving up music. Even after surgery, if the cause is still present in your life, the process could repeat itself. Geoff Boulden Sunny Buffalo

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For about three years I have been troubled by tennis elbow.  Six to twelve monthly cortisone injections have kept it under control and reduced the pain to a minimum. Recently, though, the left elbow (fret hand) has ceased to respond to the injections. My doctor has suggested surgery, which he says is a "last resort" strategy.  He warns that I may not be able to do much for about six months after the operation, and that full articulation of elbow and wrist joints may never return.  He knows I play bass (he is a guitar player) and is reluctant to offer any hope of regaining full movement of my left hand.  The alternative is larger and more frequent injections which may eventually weaken the tissue to such an extent that even surgery may not be an option.  So that’s the choice I have to make.  Or gamble. Has anyone any experience of this condition, and of the various treatments available? I have played today, some simple blues scales and walking lines, and I could not bear the pain beyond twenty minutes, so it looks like decision time one way or another. Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. Ian

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Yo7 are kinda fun here.  But to correct one thing’ The definition of an invention is an original idea. The diet you advocate has been around for at least 30 years and widely disseminated. You might be able to copyright the "2PD"  title you use. There is an involved procedure to patent an invention and it costs big bucks.  It is researched and must be an original idea. Some of us think a lot of nonsense is patented due the red tape machine.  I used to work with a fellow that spent a lot of money on about ten patents.  He would brag about being an inventor.  None of them ever produced any revenue. We would like you to post on your knowledge of "heart problems".  I could use it.  Be original instead of just responding to other people.   What you think of yourself is the important thing.  Your post will not change anyone.  But some good information would be a plus to all of us.                                                          Guy  

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Guy, OMG, I  took it upon myself to respond to the heart specialist thread awhile back…I know that I  told you that I wasn’t a specialist, just a old open-heart nurse, with years of cardic experience…I hope that I didn’t cause a problem with whatever you were doing….am not sure how people took that response…it was meant to  help….hope that it did,  Humm,,,maybe  I’m senile!!  Mic Always, be, and stay AWARE!

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>Guy, OMG, I  took it upon myself to respond to the heart specialist >thread awhile back…I know that I  told you that I wasn’t a specialist, >just a old open-heart nurse, with years of cardic experience…I hope >that I didn’t cause a problem with whatever you were doing….am not >sure how people took that response…it was meant to  help….hope that >it did,  Humm,,,maybe  I’m senile!!  Mic >Always, be, and stay AWARE!

You are OK.   A lot of us senile people here???.  We keep trying..                                                    Guy>

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Guy I know you are ok for sure !!!! I miss you when you are not around. I hope you and Mona are doing wonderful !!! Give her my love and a big hug for me. Love to you Di

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> K ,   I think it’s about peace and all that .   T

In that case I apologise, and take it all back. "Sorry, John – Peace to you too." karuna

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>As you said, the thing that matters is what happens >in the treatment room.      Thank you for your support, >I’ll think about it when I’m acing the National Exam! > I hope you do well, Andrew.

John – you’re no longer agonising over the necessity for recommending Andrew for certification then? Nor still considering forwarding his more imaginative literary works to his teachers for evaluation? If I sound a wee tad sarcastic, you were suggesting something which to me is an anathema. Well more than one, actually.  I may clarify that in a reply to your other post – or I may just let it be.  Your reactions did raise some serious questions however.  Have you moved on from there? k

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>As you said, the thing that matters is what happens >in the treatment room.      Thank you for your support, >I’ll think about it when I’m acing the National Exam!

I hope you do well, Andrew. Best wishes — John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television

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Andrew, I hope you pass your exam as well.  About what percentage of people pass it each time?  Sometimes these national exam type things can be pretty hard to pass.  The C.P.A. exam is notorious for failing people.  The bar exam isn’t quite as bad, though JFK Jr. failed it a few times.  I have never known anyone taking a national acupuncture exam, so I do’t have a feel for whether it is more like the CPA exam (most people flunk the first time) or a teacher’s exam (these are usually state, I think, but a vast majority pass it). BL

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K ,   I think it’s about peace and all that .   T

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >As you said, the thing that matters is what happens > >in the treatment room.      Thank you for your support, > >I’ll think about it when I’m acing the National Exam! > I hope you do well, Andrew. > John – you’re no longer agonising over the necessity for recommending Andrew > for certification then? > Nor still considering forwarding his more imaginative literary works to his > teachers for evaluation? > If I sound a wee tad sarcastic, you were suggesting something which to me is > an anathema. Well more than one, actually.  I may clarify that in a reply to > your other post – or I may just let it be.  Your reactions did raise some > serious questions however.  Have you moved on from there? > k

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Andrew , Seems that you have caught a lot of guff lately . You may wish to continue the war , I hope not . Even though you and I do not see eye to eye of some things , you have at least worked hard to get through acupunture school. I think you will soon have the oppertunity to do some good medicine . So just do your best , and hope for the best . T                                      In english ,  Don’t let the bastards get you down .

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i certainly (as one of the bastards, i presume) also wish andrew the best. after all, it isnt personal. one could even say that i am helping him out with these florida state legality matters? although, it IS starting to become lots of fun to watch him squirm. > Andrew , Seems that you have caught a lot of guff lately . You may wish > to continue the war , I hope not . Even though you and I do not see eye > to eye of some things , you have at least worked hard to get through > acupunture school. I think you will soon have the oppertunity to do some > good medicine . So just do your best , and hope for the best . > T                                      In english ,  Don’t let the > bastards get you down .

– There is no pleasure in having nothing to do; the fun is in having lots to do and not doing it. JohnW. Raper Solitary shots should be ignored, but when they come from several directions, it’s time to pay attention. As someone once said, "lf one calls you a donkey, ignore him. If two call you a donkey, check for hoof prints. If three, get a saddle." Marshall Shell

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> K ,   I think it’s about peace and all that .   T

In that case I apologise, and take it all back. "Sorry, John – Peace to you too." karuna

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>As you said, the thing that matters is what happens >in the treatment room.      Thank you for your support, >I’ll think about it when I’m acing the National Exam! > I hope you do well, Andrew.

John – you’re no longer agonising over the necessity for recommending Andrew for certification then? Nor still considering forwarding his more imaginative literary works to his teachers for evaluation? If I sound a wee tad sarcastic, you were suggesting something which to me is an anathema. Well more than one, actually.  I may clarify that in a reply to your other post – or I may just let it be.  Your reactions did raise some serious questions however.  Have you moved on from there? k

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>As you said, the thing that matters is what happens >in the treatment room.      Thank you for your support, >I’ll think about it when I’m acing the National Exam!

I hope you do well, Andrew. Best wishes — John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television

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Andrew, I hope you pass your exam as well.  About what percentage of people pass it each time?  Sometimes these national exam type things can be pretty hard to pass.  The C.P.A. exam is notorious for failing people.  The bar exam isn’t quite as bad, though JFK Jr. failed it a few times.  I have never known anyone taking a national acupuncture exam, so I do’t have a feel for whether it is more like the CPA exam (most people flunk the first time) or a teacher’s exam (these are usually state, I think, but a vast majority pass it). BL

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K ,   I think it’s about peace and all that .   T

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >As you said, the thing that matters is what happens > >in the treatment room.      Thank you for your support, > >I’ll think about it when I’m acing the National Exam! > I hope you do well, Andrew. > John – you’re no longer agonising over the necessity for recommending Andrew > for certification then? > Nor still considering forwarding his more imaginative literary works to his > teachers for evaluation? > If I sound a wee tad sarcastic, you were suggesting something which to me is > an anathema. Well more than one, actually.  I may clarify that in a reply to > your other post – or I may just let it be.  Your reactions did raise some > serious questions however.  Have you moved on from there? > k

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Andrew , Seems that you have caught a lot of guff lately . You may wish to continue the war , I hope not . Even though you and I do not see eye to eye of some things , you have at least worked hard to get through acupunture school. I think you will soon have the oppertunity to do some good medicine . So just do your best , and hope for the best . T                                      In english ,  Don’t let the bastards get you down .

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i certainly (as one of the bastards, i presume) also wish andrew the best. after all, it isnt personal. one could even say that i am helping him out with these florida state legality matters? although, it IS starting to become lots of fun to watch him squirm. > Andrew , Seems that you have caught a lot of guff lately . You may wish > to continue the war , I hope not . Even though you and I do not see eye > to eye of some things , you have at least worked hard to get through > acupunture school. I think you will soon have the oppertunity to do some > good medicine . So just do your best , and hope for the best . > T                                      In english ,  Don’t let the > bastards get you down .

– There is no pleasure in having nothing to do; the fun is in having lots to do and not doing it. JohnW. Raper Solitary shots should be ignored, but when they come from several directions, it’s time to pay attention. As someone once said, "lf one calls you a donkey, ignore him. If two call you a donkey, check for hoof prints. If three, get a saddle." Marshall Shell

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Has anyone ever tried acupuncture or massage therapy for their neuropathy? While on the subject has anyone tried anything other than western medicine? I have heard Alpha Lipoic Acid helps the legs. ~Joe

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> Has anyone ever tried acupuncture or massage therapy for their neuropathy?

Haven’t tried it and see no reason why it would work. > While on the subject has anyone tried anything other than western

medicine? Evening Primrose Oil, balanced by Flaxseed Oil.  But I guess that’s Western Medicine because my Endo. is the one who told me to do it. > I have heard Alpha Lipoic Acid helps the legs.

I’ve heard that too, but it didn’t help me. How is your BG?  Best thing for Neuropathy is to get your BG down, then work on treating it if you’re still having problems.  Nothing’s going to help you if your BG is high. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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… > Has anyone ever tried acupuncture or massage therapy for their neuropathy? > Haven’t tried it and see no reason why it would work.

Well that’s the point if acupuncture, to block or deter pain signals from reaching the brain. Similar to what the meds do but the meds work on the neuro receptors as opposed to at the site of the pain. > While on the subject has anyone tried anything other than western > medicine? > Evening Primrose Oil, balanced by Flaxseed Oil.  But I guess that’s Western > Medicine because my Endo. is the one who told me to do it.

I will look into those. I am just cautious about interactions with other meds I am taking. > How is your BG?  Best thing for Neuropathy is to get your BG down, then work > on treating it if you’re still having problems.  Nothing’s going to help you > if your BG is high.

BG has actualy come down quite a bit. Before my treatments I was in the high 300’s Now I average 180 and am tweaking my meds with my dr at this time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> … > > Has anyone ever tried acupuncture or massage therapy for their > neuropathy? > Haven’t tried it and see no reason why it would work. > Well that’s the point if acupuncture, to block or deter pain signals from > reaching the brain. Similar to what the meds do but the meds work on the > neuro receptors as opposed to at the site of the pain.

I don’t think working at the site of the pain would do any good because it is sort of like a phantom pain.  But I could be wrong. > > While on the subject has anyone tried anything other than western > medicine? > Evening Primrose Oil, balanced by Flaxseed Oil.  But I guess that’s > Western > Medicine because my Endo. is the one who told me to do it. > I will look into those. I am just cautious about interactions with other > meds I am taking.

I am not aware of them interacting badly with any meds.  What other meds are you taking? > How is your BG?  Best thing for Neuropathy is to get your BG down, then > work > on treating it if you’re still having problems.  Nothing’s going to help > you > if your BG is high. > BG has actualy come down quite a bit. Before my treatments I was in the high > 300’s Now I average 180 and am tweaking my meds with my dr at this time.

180 is still too high.  I find if I go >150, the pain comes back. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Thanks Ann, but actually this is something that possibly is the cyst that burst as the pain is not as extreme this morning for the first day in a long time.  I will go to er when I know I need to.  Just trying to gather info from others who have had this, and I posted somewhere else where I know they have dealt with this kind of thing then I make my calls.  Thanks. I’ll let you know.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Susan, > I have never had anything like that, but you have got to go get it checked > out.  It is just not good to have things bursting inside of you.  Please go > to the Emergency Room! > *HUGS* > Ann > I just got back from a wonderful visit with my son.  While there something > felt like it burst on the lower left side and the burning pain was > amazing. > I took meds that helped and he gave me a heating pad while I was there. > Ladies for those  of you who have had cysts on the ovary is this what > might > have broke?  The pain has eased a lot though I can’t tell if it is the > pain > meds or the burst right now.  Pesonal experiences please.  Thank you. > Going > to be now.  Hope everyone had a great weekend.  UM MOM Susan

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I agree and I too have been weened off 4 of my meds when they were no longer necessary and 4 others at least are now as needed in category.  That is why when you take a lot of meds and even supplements you have to be re-evaluated to see if they are needed, work or so forth.  UMMOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In the last year of my mother’s life she was taking around 9 different > medications. My sister-in-law was the primary interface with the doctors. I > asked her if she could have our mom reevaluated. The doctors did this and > were able to get her off of 4 medications. The moral is – doctors certainly > know how to prescribe meds. What they don’t understand is how to regain > proper health. This is not just my opinion but the opinion of a large > percentage of the whole health community. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > My drs all of them know I am taking the tums and most of the time right > before I go to bed.  They have no problem with it and may change my > prilosec > if it doesn’t stop and it is not medication related.  So like I said, I > don’t take anything without drs ok.  UM MOM Susan > > I hope so, cause tums is not indicated for long term usage. > > Regards, > > Jeff 2 > > > I am pretty sure it’s the hormone pill that I started and the dr said > it > > > will pass since it all started when I started this med.  I also found > out > > > that I have a cyst on my ovary.  Now back to new situations.  UM > MOM > > > Susan > > > > You say it works but you are still having problems. Maybe you are > doing > > > > everything possible there is nothing you can do to improve upon your > > > > treatments. But on the other hand maybe there is something in your > > > formula, > > > > that you say works, that could be improved upon. Since Tums is an > > antacid > > > it > > > > creates a chemical environment in your stomach that makes it > difficult > > to > > > > digest calcium and other nutrients as well. Tums does not aid > digestion. > > > It > > > > may stop some pain but I think it has potential downsides that could > > > prolong > > > > and possibly mask symptoms. I think it’s chalky nature can tend to > coat > > > the > > > > intestines which can have temporary relief but then your intestines > > don’t > > > > have the opportunity to heal as much. Just another one of my > theories – > > > > > > Not trying to be a pain, just trying to probe a little deeper. I > used > to > > > > think tums worked for me until I finally stopped taking them and got > > > better. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff 2 > > > > > Hey it works and I am not questioning why.  Just know I got drs > > > permission > > > > > to take up to 6 a day and only need 2 which is better than another > rx > > in > > > > my > > > > > opinion.   UM MOM Susan > > > > > > When I first started getting my IBD symptoms I used to live on > tums. > > > But > > > > I > > > > > > finally figured out that they eventually made things worse. I > > stopped > > > > > taking > > > > > > them and I believe that has helped. Just my experience. I > believe > > > > > something > > > > > > in the tums blocks the intestinal lining and somehow this > creates > > more > > > > > > problems. Don’t have the prescise physiological terms to explain > > this > > > > > right > > > > > > now though. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Jeff 2 > > > > > > > Thanks but it’s gone finally.  I was taking tums for it and it > > > helped > > > > so > > > > > > it > > > > > > > could be the small hernia the gi found when he did my last > scopes. > > > > I’ll > > > > > > > have to talk to him about it the next time I see him and > hopefully > > > not > > > > > too > > > > > > > soon.  I am sick of seeing drs already.  UM MOM Susan > > > > > > > > There is an acupuncture point just above the wrist on the > inside > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > arm. > > > > > > > > If you put your first three fingers of the other hand and > place > > > the > > > > > ring > > > > > > > > finger along the crease of the wrist (below the palm) then > the > > > point > > > > > is > > > > > > > > between the 2 tendons at the edge of your index finger. You > can > > > > press > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > 3-6 times for about 5 seconds each time. Wait about 2-3 > seconds > > > > > between > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > time you press. Do this on both sides. Also they make some > > > bracelets > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > press this point and people have reported some results from > > using > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you can try the finger pressure first and then if > you > > get > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > from that then look for the braclet. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Jeff 2 > > > > > > > > > Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the > weekend? > > > It’s > > > > > been > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend. > > Alternates > > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks. Oh, > > > > saltines > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM > MOM > > > > Susan

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In the last year of my mother’s life she was taking around 9 different medications. My sister-in-law was the primary interface with the doctors. I asked her if she could have our mom reevaluated. The doctors did this and were able to get her off of 4 medications. The moral is – doctors certainly know how to prescribe meds. What they don’t understand is how to regain proper health. This is not just my opinion but the opinion of a large percentage of the whole health community. Regards, Jeff 2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My drs all of them know I am taking the tums and most of the time right > before I go to bed.  They have no problem with it and may change my prilosec > if it doesn’t stop and it is not medication related.  So like I said, I > don’t take anything without drs ok.  UM MOM Susan > I hope so, cause tums is not indicated for long term usage. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > > I am pretty sure it’s the hormone pill that I started and the dr said it > > will pass since it all started when I started this med.  I also found > out > > that I have a cyst on my ovary.  Now back to new situations.  UM MOM > > Susan > > > You say it works but you are still having problems. Maybe you are > doing > > > everything possible there is nothing you can do to improve upon your > > > treatments. But on the other hand maybe there is something in your > > formula, > > > that you say works, that could be improved upon. Since Tums is an > antacid > > it > > > creates a chemical environment in your stomach that makes it difficult > to > > > digest calcium and other nutrients as well. Tums does not aid > digestion. > > It > > > may stop some pain but I think it has potential downsides that could > > prolong > > > and possibly mask symptoms. I think it’s chalky nature can tend to > coat > > the > > > intestines which can have temporary relief but then your intestines > don’t > > > have the opportunity to heal as much. Just another one of my > theories – > > > > Not trying to be a pain, just trying to probe a little deeper. I used > to > > > think tums worked for me until I finally stopped taking them and got > > better. > > > Regards, > > > Jeff 2 > > > > Hey it works and I am not questioning why.  Just know I got drs > > permission > > > > to take up to 6 a day and only need 2 which is better than another > rx > in > > > my > > > > opinion.   UM MOM Susan > > > > > When I first started getting my IBD symptoms I used to live on > tums. > > But > > > I > > > > > finally figured out that they eventually made things worse. I > stopped > > > > taking > > > > > them and I believe that has helped. Just my experience. I believe > > > > something > > > > > in the tums blocks the intestinal lining and somehow this creates > more > > > > > problems. Don’t have the prescise physiological terms to explain > this > > > > right > > > > > now though. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Jeff 2 > > > > > > Thanks but it’s gone finally.  I was taking tums for it and it > > helped > > > so > > > > > it > > > > > > could be the small hernia the gi found when he did my last > scopes. > > > I’ll > > > > > > have to talk to him about it the next time I see him and > hopefully > > not > > > > too > > > > > > soon.  I am sick of seeing drs already.  UM MOM Susan > > > > > > > There is an acupuncture point just above the wrist on the > inside > > of > > > > the > > > > > > arm. > > > > > > > If you put your first three fingers of the other hand and > place > > the > > > > ring > > > > > > > finger along the crease of the wrist (below the palm) then the > > point > > > > is > > > > > > > between the 2 tendons at the edge of your index finger. You > can > > > press > > > > > > there > > > > > > > 3-6 times for about 5 seconds each time. Wait about 2-3 > seconds > > > > between > > > > > > each > > > > > > > time you press. Do this on both sides. Also they make some > > bracelets > > > > > that > > > > > > > press this point and people have reported some results from > using > > > > them. > > > > > > > Perhaps you can try the finger pressure first and then if you > get > > > > > results > > > > > > > from that then look for the braclet. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Jeff 2 > > > > > > > > Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend? > > It’s > > > > been > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend. > Alternates > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, > > > saltines > > > > > and > > > > > > > > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM > MOM > > > Susan

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> Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend?  It’s been bad > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend.  Alternates will be > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, saltines and > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM Susan

sucking on peppermints; sitting by an open window(oops i forgot..u are in florida lol)..watching something really funny and dumb on tv; cheezits; orange spice herbal tea; coke or diet coke with a piece of lemon in it(not the lemon flavor..its the real lemon that helps)sucking on a piece of sugar coated lemon(i learned that when pregnant)…gee susan i am becoming an expert on nausea since on the 6mp…lol take care..love annieoooo…ginger..fresh ginger root…try a tiny piece of that..its a great nausea remedy ..used for car sickness too..

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I just got back from a wonderful visit with my son.  While there something felt like it burst on the lower left side and the burning pain was amazing. I took meds that helped and he gave me a heating pad while I was there. Ladies for those  of you who have had cysts on the ovary is this what might have broke?  The pain has eased a lot though I can’t tell if it is the pain meds or the burst right now.  Pesonal experiences please.  Thank you. Going to be now.  Hope everyone had a great weekend.  UM MOM Susan

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Susan, I have never had anything like that, but you have got to go get it checked out.  It is just not good to have things bursting inside of you.  Please go to the Emergency Room! *HUGS* Ann

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just got back from a wonderful visit with my son.  While there something > felt like it burst on the lower left side and the burning pain was amazing. > I took meds that helped and he gave me a heating pad while I was there. > Ladies for those  of you who have had cysts on the ovary is this what might > have broke?  The pain has eased a lot though I can’t tell if it is the pain > meds or the burst right now.  Pesonal experiences please.  Thank you. Going > to be now.  Hope everyone had a great weekend.  UM MOM Susan

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My drs all of them know I am taking the tums and most of the time right before I go to bed.  They have no problem with it and may change my prilosec if it doesn’t stop and it is not medication related.  So like I said, I don’t take anything without drs ok.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hope so, cause tums is not indicated for long term usage. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > I am pretty sure it’s the hormone pill that I started and the dr said it > will pass since it all started when I started this med.  I also found out > that I have a cyst on my ovary.  Now back to new situations.  UM MOM > Susan > > You say it works but you are still having problems. Maybe you are doing > > everything possible there is nothing you can do to improve upon your > > treatments. But on the other hand maybe there is something in your > formula, > > that you say works, that could be improved upon. Since Tums is an > antacid > it > > creates a chemical environment in your stomach that makes it difficult > to > > digest calcium and other nutrients as well. Tums does not aid digestion. > It > > may stop some pain but I think it has potential downsides that could > prolong > > and possibly mask symptoms. I think it’s chalky nature can tend to coat > the > > intestines which can have temporary relief but then your intestines > don’t > > have the opportunity to heal as much. Just another one of my theories – > > > Not trying to be a pain, just trying to probe a little deeper. I used to > > think tums worked for me until I finally stopped taking them and got > better. > > Regards, > > Jeff 2 > > > Hey it works and I am not questioning why.  Just know I got drs > permission > > > to take up to 6 a day and only need 2 which is better than another rx > in > > my > > > opinion.   UM MOM Susan > > > > When I first started getting my IBD symptoms I used to live on tums. > But > > I > > > > finally figured out that they eventually made things worse. I > stopped > > > taking > > > > them and I believe that has helped. Just my experience. I believe > > > something > > > > in the tums blocks the intestinal lining and somehow this creates > more > > > > problems. Don’t have the prescise physiological terms to explain > this > > > right > > > > now though. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff 2 > > > > > Thanks but it’s gone finally.  I was taking tums for it and it > helped > > so > > > > it > > > > > could be the small hernia the gi found when he did my last scopes. > > I’ll > > > > > have to talk to him about it the next time I see him and hopefully > not > > > too > > > > > soon.  I am sick of seeing drs already.  UM MOM Susan > > > > > > There is an acupuncture point just above the wrist on the inside > of > > > the > > > > > arm. > > > > > > If you put your first three fingers of the other hand and place > the > > > ring > > > > > > finger along the crease of the wrist (below the palm) then the > point > > > is > > > > > > between the 2 tendons at the edge of your index finger. You can > > press > > > > > there > > > > > > 3-6 times for about 5 seconds each time. Wait about 2-3 seconds > > > between > > > > > each > > > > > > time you press. Do this on both sides. Also they make some > bracelets > > > > that > > > > > > press this point and people have reported some results from > using > > > them. > > > > > > Perhaps you can try the finger pressure first and then if you > get > > > > results > > > > > > from that then look for the braclet. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Jeff 2 > > > > > > > Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend? > It’s > > > been > > > > > bad > > > > > > > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend. > Alternates > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, > > saltines > > > > and > > > > > > > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM > > Susan

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Yes Dr. Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I hope so, cause tums is not indicated for long term usage. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > I am pretty sure it’s the hormone pill that I started and the dr said it > will pass since it all started when I started this med.  I also found out > that I have a cyst on my ovary.  Now back to new situations.  UM MOM > Susan > > You say it works but you are still having problems. Maybe you are doing > > everything possible there is nothing you can do to improve upon your > > treatments. But on the other hand maybe there is something in your > formula, > > that you say works, that could be improved upon. Since Tums is an > antacid > it > > creates a chemical environment in your stomach that makes it difficult > to > > digest calcium and other nutrients as well. Tums does not aid digestion. > It > > may stop some pain but I think it has potential downsides that could > prolong > > and possibly mask symptoms. I think it’s chalky nature can tend to coat > the > > intestines which can have temporary relief but then your intestines > don’t > > have the opportunity to heal as much. Just another one of my theories – > > > Not trying to be a pain, just trying to probe a little deeper. I used to > > think tums worked for me until I finally stopped taking them and got > better. > > Regards, > > Jeff 2 > > > Hey it works and I am not questioning why.  Just know I got drs > permission > > > to take up to 6 a day and only need 2 which is better than another rx > in > > my > > > opinion.   UM MOM Susan > > > > When I first started getting my IBD symptoms I used to live on tums. > But > > I > > > > finally figured out that they eventually made things worse. I > stopped > > > taking > > > > them and I believe that has helped. Just my experience. I believe > > > something > > > > in the tums blocks the intestinal lining and somehow this creates > more > > > > problems. Don’t have the prescise physiological terms to explain > this > > > right > > > > now though. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff 2 > > > > > Thanks but it’s gone finally.  I was taking tums for it and it > helped > > so > > > > it > > > > > could be the small hernia the gi found when he did my last scopes. > > I’ll > > > > > have to talk to him about it the next time I see him and hopefully > not > > > too > > > > > soon.  I am sick of seeing drs already.  UM MOM Susan > > > > > > There is an acupuncture point just above the wrist on the inside > of > > > the > > > > > arm. > > > > > > If you put your first three fingers of the other hand and place > the > > > ring > > > > > > finger along the crease of the wrist (below the palm) then the > point > > > is > > > > > > between the 2 tendons at the edge of your index finger. You can > > press > > > > > there > > > > > > 3-6 times for about 5 seconds each time. Wait about 2-3 seconds > > > between > > > > > each > > > > > > time you press. Do this on both sides. Also they make some > bracelets > > > > that > > > > > > press this point and people have reported some results from > using > > > them. > > > > > > Perhaps you can try the finger pressure first and then if you > get > > > > results > > > > > > from that then look for the braclet. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Jeff 2 > > > > > > > Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend? > It’s > > > been > > > > > bad > > > > > > > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend. > Alternates > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, > > saltines > > > > and > > > > > > > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM > > Susan

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I hope so, cause tums is not indicated for long term usage. Regards, Jeff 2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am pretty sure it’s the hormone pill that I started and the dr said it > will pass since it all started when I started this med.  I also found out > that I have a cyst on my ovary.  Now back to new situations.  UM MOM > Susan > You say it works but you are still having problems. Maybe you are doing > everything possible there is nothing you can do to improve upon your > treatments. But on the other hand maybe there is something in your > formula, > that you say works, that could be improved upon. Since Tums is an antacid > it > creates a chemical environment in your stomach that makes it difficult to > digest calcium and other nutrients as well. Tums does not aid digestion. > It > may stop some pain but I think it has potential downsides that could > prolong > and possibly mask symptoms. I think it’s chalky nature can tend to coat > the > intestines which can have temporary relief but then your intestines don’t > have the opportunity to heal as much. Just another one of my theories – > Not trying to be a pain, just trying to probe a little deeper. I used to > think tums worked for me until I finally stopped taking them and got > better. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > > Hey it works and I am not questioning why.  Just know I got drs > permission > > to take up to 6 a day and only need 2 which is better than another rx in > my > > opinion.   UM MOM Susan > > > When I first started getting my IBD symptoms I used to live on tums. > But > I > > > finally figured out that they eventually made things worse. I stopped > > taking > > > them and I believe that has helped. Just my experience. I believe > > something > > > in the tums blocks the intestinal lining and somehow this creates more > > > problems. Don’t have the prescise physiological terms to explain this > > right > > > now though. > > > Regards, > > > Jeff 2 > > > > Thanks but it’s gone finally.  I was taking tums for it and it > helped > so > > > it > > > > could be the small hernia the gi found when he did my last scopes. > I’ll > > > > have to talk to him about it the next time I see him and hopefully > not > > too > > > > soon.  I am sick of seeing drs already.  UM MOM Susan > > > > > There is an acupuncture point just above the wrist on the inside > of > > the > > > > arm. > > > > > If you put your first three fingers of the other hand and place > the > > ring > > > > > finger along the crease of the wrist (below the palm) then the > point > > is > > > > > between the 2 tendons at the edge of your index finger. You can > press > > > > there > > > > > 3-6 times for about 5 seconds each time. Wait about 2-3 seconds > > between > > > > each > > > > > time you press. Do this on both sides. Also they make some > bracelets > > > that > > > > > press this point and people have reported some results from using > > them. > > > > > Perhaps you can try the finger pressure first and then if you get > > > results > > > > > from that then look for the braclet. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Jeff 2 > > > > > > Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend? > It’s > > been > > > > bad > > > > > > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend. Alternates > > will > > > be > > > > > > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, > saltines > > > and > > > > > > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM > Susan

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You say it works but you are still having problems. Maybe you are doing everything possible there is nothing you can do to improve upon your treatments. But on the other hand maybe there is something in your formula, that you say works, that could be improved upon. Since Tums is an antacid it creates a chemical environment in your stomach that makes it difficult to digest calcium and other nutrients as well. Tums does not aid digestion. It may stop some pain but I think it has potential downsides that could prolong and possibly mask symptoms. I think it’s chalky nature can tend to coat the intestines which can have temporary relief but then your intestines don’t have the opportunity to heal as much. Just another one of my theories – Not trying to be a pain, just trying to probe a little deeper. I used to think tums worked for me until I finally stopped taking them and got better. Regards, Jeff 2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey it works and I am not questioning why.  Just know I got drs permission > to take up to 6 a day and only need 2 which is better than another rx in my > opinion.   UM MOM Susan > When I first started getting my IBD symptoms I used to live on tums. But I > finally figured out that they eventually made things worse. I stopped > taking > them and I believe that has helped. Just my experience. I believe > something > in the tums blocks the intestinal lining and somehow this creates more > problems. Don’t have the prescise physiological terms to explain this > right > now though. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > > Thanks but it’s gone finally.  I was taking tums for it and it helped so > it > > could be the small hernia the gi found when he did my last scopes. I’ll > > have to talk to him about it the next time I see him and hopefully not > too > > soon.  I am sick of seeing drs already.  UM MOM Susan > > > There is an acupuncture point just above the wrist on the inside of > the > > arm. > > > If you put your first three fingers of the other hand and place the > ring > > > finger along the crease of the wrist (below the palm) then the point > is > > > between the 2 tendons at the edge of your index finger. You can press > > there > > > 3-6 times for about 5 seconds each time. Wait about 2-3 seconds > between > > each > > > time you press. Do this on both sides. Also they make some bracelets > that > > > press this point and people have reported some results from using > them. > > > Perhaps you can try the finger pressure first and then if you get > results > > > from that then look for the braclet. > > > Regards, > > > Jeff 2 > > > > Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend?  It’s > been > > bad > > > > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend.  Alternates > will > be > > > > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, saltines > and > > > > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM Susan

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I am pretty sure it’s the hormone pill that I started and the dr said it will pass since it all started when I started this med.  I also found out that I have a cyst on my ovary.  Now back to new situations.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You say it works but you are still having problems. Maybe you are doing > everything possible there is nothing you can do to improve upon your > treatments. But on the other hand maybe there is something in your formula, > that you say works, that could be improved upon. Since Tums is an antacid it > creates a chemical environment in your stomach that makes it difficult to > digest calcium and other nutrients as well. Tums does not aid digestion. It > may stop some pain but I think it has potential downsides that could prolong > and possibly mask symptoms. I think it’s chalky nature can tend to coat the > intestines which can have temporary relief but then your intestines don’t > have the opportunity to heal as much. Just another one of my theories – > Not trying to be a pain, just trying to probe a little deeper. I used to > think tums worked for me until I finally stopped taking them and got better. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > Hey it works and I am not questioning why.  Just know I got drs permission > to take up to 6 a day and only need 2 which is better than another rx in > my > opinion.   UM MOM Susan > > When I first started getting my IBD symptoms I used to live on tums. But > I > > finally figured out that they eventually made things worse. I stopped > taking > > them and I believe that has helped. Just my experience. I believe > something > > in the tums blocks the intestinal lining and somehow this creates more > > problems. Don’t have the prescise physiological terms to explain this > right > > now though. > > Regards, > > Jeff 2 > > > Thanks but it’s gone finally.  I was taking tums for it and it helped > so > > it > > > could be the small hernia the gi found when he did my last scopes. > I’ll > > > have to talk to him about it the next time I see him and hopefully not > too > > > soon.  I am sick of seeing drs already.  UM MOM Susan > > > > There is an acupuncture point just above the wrist on the inside of > the > > > arm. > > > > If you put your first three fingers of the other hand and place the > ring > > > > finger along the crease of the wrist (below the palm) then the point > is > > > > between the 2 tendons at the edge of your index finger. You can > press > > > there > > > > 3-6 times for about 5 seconds each time. Wait about 2-3 seconds > between > > > each > > > > time you press. Do this on both sides. Also they make some bracelets > > that > > > > press this point and people have reported some results from using > them. > > > > Perhaps you can try the finger pressure first and then if you get > > results > > > > from that then look for the braclet. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff 2 > > > > > Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend? It’s > been > > > bad > > > > > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend.  Alternates > will > > be > > > > > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, > saltines > > and > > > > > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM > Susan

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Hey it works and I am not questioning why.  Just know I got drs permission to take up to 6 a day and only need 2 which is better than another rx in my opinion.   UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When I first started getting my IBD symptoms I used to live on tums. But I > finally figured out that they eventually made things worse. I stopped taking > them and I believe that has helped. Just my experience. I believe something > in the tums blocks the intestinal lining and somehow this creates more > problems. Don’t have the prescise physiological terms to explain this right > now though. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > Thanks but it’s gone finally.  I was taking tums for it and it helped so > it > could be the small hernia the gi found when he did my last scopes.  I’ll > have to talk to him about it the next time I see him and hopefully not too > soon.  I am sick of seeing drs already.  UM MOM Susan > > There is an acupuncture point just above the wrist on the inside of the > arm. > > If you put your first three fingers of the other hand and place the ring > > finger along the crease of the wrist (below the palm) then the point is > > between the 2 tendons at the edge of your index finger. You can press > there > > 3-6 times for about 5 seconds each time. Wait about 2-3 seconds between > each > > time you press. Do this on both sides. Also they make some bracelets > that > > press this point and people have reported some results from using them. > > Perhaps you can try the finger pressure first and then if you get > results > > from that then look for the braclet. > > Regards, > > Jeff 2 > > > Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend?  It’s been > bad > > > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend.  Alternates will > be > > > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, saltines > and > > > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM Susan

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When I first started getting my IBD symptoms I used to live on tums. But I finally figured out that they eventually made things worse. I stopped taking them and I believe that has helped. Just my experience. I believe something in the tums blocks the intestinal lining and somehow this creates more problems. Don’t have the prescise physiological terms to explain this right now though. Regards, Jeff 2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks but it’s gone finally.  I was taking tums for it and it helped so it > could be the small hernia the gi found when he did my last scopes.  I’ll > have to talk to him about it the next time I see him and hopefully not too > soon.  I am sick of seeing drs already.  UM MOM Susan > There is an acupuncture point just above the wrist on the inside of the > arm. > If you put your first three fingers of the other hand and place the ring > finger along the crease of the wrist (below the palm) then the point is > between the 2 tendons at the edge of your index finger. You can press > there > 3-6 times for about 5 seconds each time. Wait about 2-3 seconds between > each > time you press. Do this on both sides. Also they make some bracelets that > press this point and people have reported some results from using them. > Perhaps you can try the finger pressure first and then if you get results > from that then look for the braclet. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > > Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend?  It’s been > bad > > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend.  Alternates will be > > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, saltines and > > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM Susan

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Thanks but it’s gone finally.  I was taking tums for it and it helped so it could be the small hernia the gi found when he did my last scopes.  I’ll have to talk to him about it the next time I see him and hopefully not too soon.  I am sick of seeing drs already.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There is an acupuncture point just above the wrist on the inside of the arm. > If you put your first three fingers of the other hand and place the ring > finger along the crease of the wrist (below the palm) then the point is > between the 2 tendons at the edge of your index finger. You can press there > 3-6 times for about 5 seconds each time. Wait about 2-3 seconds between each > time you press. Do this on both sides. Also they make some bracelets that > press this point and people have reported some results from using them. > Perhaps you can try the finger pressure first and then if you get results > from that then look for the braclet. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend?  It’s been bad > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend.  Alternates will be > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, saltines and > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM Susan

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Seaband I know well but I thought this was only for sea sickness?  I was a manager of a pharmacy retail until cd and the extras have disabled me from working.  Thanks.  All good idea.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> One of the things that we use in our cancer support groups ( I have crohns > as well as cancer) are an > item called Sea Bands. These are elastic bracelets with a button sown in the > inside and are worn > on the wrists so that the button presses on the acupressure point foe > nausea. They are designed for > sea sickness and work really well for most people. Never seen it tried for > crohns, but might be > worth a try. > Tom > Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend?  It’s been bad > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend.  Alternates will be > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, saltines and > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM Susan

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There is an acupuncture point just above the wrist on the inside of the arm. If you put your first three fingers of the other hand and place the ring finger along the crease of the wrist (below the palm) then the point is between the 2 tendons at the edge of your index finger. You can press there 3-6 times for about 5 seconds each time. Wait about 2-3 seconds between each time you press. Do this on both sides. Also they make some bracelets that press this point and people have reported some results from using them. Perhaps you can try the finger pressure first and then if you get results from that then look for the braclet. Regards, Jeff 2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend?  It’s been bad > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend.  Alternates will be > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, saltines and > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM Susan

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Thank you and with me you don’t need to put the clause in that you do not sell this.  Thanks again.  I just need to see if I have any ginger in the house cause I can’t leave right now.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->       Try something with ginger. The excerpt below comes from Dr. Weil’s > website. I keep Traditional Medicinals’ Ginger Aid tea in my desk at work > especially for bouts of naseau. I buy it at Kroger in their healthfood > section, so it must be widely available. If you have easy access to a > natural foodstore like WholeFoods or a co-op, try finding St. Claire’s > Organic Sweets in Ginger by EcoNatural Solutions. They are in the candy > aisle, but are great to have on hand. They come in a small tin like Altoids > and fit nicely under the tongue for quick absorbtion. >       BTW, I have nothing to do with any of these products or stores other > than I use the products myself for naseau. Of the two products, the tea > seems more effective to me. When I first found out how well ginger works for > my naseau, I started looking for commercial products with it. I am not the > type to grind my own ginger to make a tea, nor do I like candied ginger. I > suppose you could take the pills too, but I take more than enough Asacol as > it is. In any case, good luck with the naseau. >       Tim >       "Ginger > Description: > Ginger, the familiar spice, has a number of remarkable properties that > recommend it for home use. It is a good treatment for nausea and motion > sickness as well as a natural antiinflammatory that is worth trying in all > cases of arthritis, bursitis, and other musculoskeletal ailments. It tones > the cardiovascular system and reduces platelet aggregation, as aspirin does. > You can make a tea of fresh ginger by using about one half teaspoon of the > grated root to eight ounces of boiling water. Cover and steep for 10 to 15 > minutes, then strain, and add honey to taste if desired. You can also eat > candied ginger or buy honey-based ginger syrups. Health-food stores sell > powdered extracts of ginger in capsules as well as alcohol extracts; both > forms are convenient to use. One to two grams of powdered ginger a day is an > average dose, but some people report successful treatment of inflammatory > conditions with higher doses taken over several months. High doses may cause > a burning sensation in the stomach; to minimize this, take ginger with > food." > Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend?  It’s been bad > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend.  Alternates will be > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, saltines and > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM Susan

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One of the things that we use in our cancer support groups ( I have crohns as well as cancer) are an item called Sea Bands. These are elastic bracelets with a button sown in the inside and are worn on the wrists so that the button presses on the acupressure point foe nausea. They are designed for sea sickness and work really well for most people. Never seen it tried for crohns, but might be worth a try. Tom

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend?  It’s been bad > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend.  Alternates will be > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, saltines and > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM Susan

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      Try something with ginger. The excerpt below comes from Dr. Weil’s website. I keep Traditional Medicinals’ Ginger Aid tea in my desk at work especially for bouts of naseau. I buy it at Kroger in their healthfood section, so it must be widely available. If you have easy access to a natural foodstore like WholeFoods or a co-op, try finding St. Claire’s Organic Sweets in Ginger by EcoNatural Solutions. They are in the candy aisle, but are great to have on hand. They come in a small tin like Altoids and fit nicely under the tongue for quick absorbtion.       BTW, I have nothing to do with any of these products or stores other than I use the products myself for naseau. Of the two products, the tea seems more effective to me. When I first found out how well ginger works for my naseau, I started looking for commercial products with it. I am not the type to grind my own ginger to make a tea, nor do I like candied ginger. I suppose you could take the pills too, but I take more than enough Asacol as it is. In any case, good luck with the naseau.       Tim       "Ginger Description: Ginger, the familiar spice, has a number of remarkable properties that recommend it for home use. It is a good treatment for nausea and motion sickness as well as a natural antiinflammatory that is worth trying in all cases of arthritis, bursitis, and other musculoskeletal ailments. It tones the cardiovascular system and reduces platelet aggregation, as aspirin does. You can make a tea of fresh ginger by using about one half teaspoon of the grated root to eight ounces of boiling water. Cover and steep for 10 to 15 minutes, then strain, and add honey to taste if desired. You can also eat candied ginger or buy honey-based ginger syrups. Health-food stores sell powdered extracts of ginger in capsules as well as alcohol extracts; both forms are convenient to use. One to two grams of powdered ginger a day is an average dose, but some people report successful treatment of inflammatory conditions with higher doses taken over several months. High doses may cause a burning sensation in the stomach; to minimize this, take ginger with food."

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend?  It’s been bad > but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend.  Alternates will be > fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, saltines and > bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM Susan

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Any home remedies for nausea to get me through the weekend?  It’s been bad but I don’t want to call for help until the weekend.  Alternates will be fine as long as it is safe with meds I take.  Thanks.  Oh, saltines and bread isn’t helping and it usually does.  Thanks again. UM MOM Susan

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Good Luck Angie and hey how do you getthis effect?  Looks good but I cannot see what I am typing just the cursor moving along?   I am 27 and due to go in next week for surgery on my hand. I am due to   have a joint replacement and my tendons realigned and have the rod in my   fusion taken out. I was just wondering if any of you have had this done   and what was your recovery time? For some reason I am a bit scared about   this one! Thanks for any advice/help!   Smiles,   Angie                   Subscribe to HealthyHaven                           Powered by       www.egroups.com          

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I am 27 and due to go in next week for surgery on my hand. I am due to have a joint replacement and my tendons realigned and have the rod in my fusion taken out. I was just wondering if any of you have had this done and what was your recovery time? For some reason I am a bit scared about this one! Thanks for any advice/help! Smiles, Angie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Oh arry I remember those fountain cherry and vanilla Cokes too.  When >> we were traveling last summer we found some gas station/convenience >> stores that had separate vanilla and cherry syrups you could add to >> your drinks.  Much better than what Coke is canning now, but still not >> as god as the old fountain drinks.  I’m with you on what Coke is mass >> producing – it just can’t compare to the "REAL" thing. >I remember those. I’ve been looking for years to find a vendor for >cherry syrup.  There is a hamburger joint in Salt Lake that still serves >them – plus Cherry-Limeades in the summer that will curl your toes. >Hires is the name of the place.  They have a couple of locations.  Of >course, I’m now in Boston so it doesn’t do me a bit of good. > — Susan > It’s not exactly the same, but it DEFINITELY works in a pinch – > Any place like a restaurant supply that has a full stock of coffee syrups > will have cherry syrup that’s supposed to be for coffee or italian sodas. > If you have a place called "Cash N Carry" they have a HUGE selection > there, and they’re $2.50 a bottle for the 750ml bottles, as opposed to $7 > in the grocery. They definitely have cherry, or any other flavor you can > think of. > Vanilla is readily available in any grocery store in the coffee aisle. > Look for Torani or DaVinci syrups. Add that to your coke, or even to club > soda (syrup + club soda = italian soda)  and you’ll be a happy camper, cuz > it will be very close. > Aim

Also those fountain cherry and vanilla cokes (and the chocolate ones) were deathly sweet.  They needed to be served over a lot of crushed ice or ice cubes.  Makes it hard to replicate in a can.  Especially if you drink the coke straight from a chilled can. Those old-fashioned soda fountains were great.  Just couldn’t compete with McD’s et al. Jo

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Are you new here??  Did I miss something??  Nann, JD and I are all in the Boston area, Rev Sue at the cape. Someone new named Cal. I am thinking that after my knee is better, we are going to have to have a mini gimpfest up here. Last one was when Norio came to visit and before that when Di was here. I’m in Burlington — where are you? Duckie

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>Are you new here??  Did I miss something??  Nann, JD and I are all in >the Boston area, Rev Sue at the cape. Someone new named Cal. I am >thinking that after my knee is better, we are going to have to have a >mini gimpfest up here. Last one was when Norio came to visit and before >that when Di was here. I’m in Burlington — where are you? >Duckie >  – Susan

Duckie, Shorthare = Susan = Di E’s niece, who has RA and MS (and something else I think? I forget??) She posted an intro today. *hugs* to Duckie big, warmhearted welcome *hugs* to Susan. Glad to have you, sorry you need us. Your intro post made me cry, so it took me awhile to respond. We’ve lost so very many the last few years. Speaking of, it’s about the first anniversary of Paul Rad’s death — has anyone remained in contact with his family? Aim Be who you are and say what you feel Because those who mind don’t matter And those who matter don’t mind -Dr. Seuss http://www.aimgrrrl.com my Enbrel journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/aims_as_journal

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> Speaking of, it’s about the first anniversary of Paul Rad’s death — has > anyone remained in contact with his family? > Aim

I haven’t, because I never knew them.  I sent a card, but they never replied, so I left it at that.  Certainly their perogative, given that they must have received a gazillion cards.  However, he is still in my address book, and he is still in my email address list and on my palm pilot, along with my friend Jim (Boston subway) and my other friend Paul who died just recently.  I just can’t remove them.  It’s nuts, I know.   But, I just can’t.  :-( — Di "May all your weeds be wildflowers." Anonymous dabell at optonline dot net www.pbase.com/di

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Gee, I thought I was the only crazy one who did [or did not] do that. Thanks for bringing it out in the open. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I haven’t, because I never knew them.  I sent a card, but they never > replied, so I left it at that.  Certainly their perogative, given that > they must have received a gazillion cards.  However, he is still in my > address book, and he is still in my email address list and on my palm > pilot, along with my friend Jim (Boston subway) and my other friend Paul > who died just recently.  I just can’t remove them.  It’s nuts, I know. > But, I just can’t.  :-( > — > Di

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>I hope that massage helps your back some.  It was sweet of your parents to do >that.

Oh my goodness… I swear, Ivette (the massage therapist I saw this morning) saved my life. I can walk with my back straight, it doen’t hurt to sit in this chair, lie down, etc. God bless her and my parents!! I don’t know how long this will last, but I’m enjoying every minute of it! Ashley C.

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What kind of massage did this miracle worker do???? — Cyberhugs, DianeW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I hope that massage helps your back some.  It was sweet of your parents to do >that. > Oh my goodness… I swear, Ivette (the massage therapist I saw this > morning) saved my life. I can walk with my back straight, it doen’t > hurt to sit in this chair, lie down, etc. God bless her and my > parents!! I don’t know how long this will last, but I’m enjoying > every minute of it! > Ashley C.

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Oh arry I remember those fountain cherry and vanilla Cokes too.  When we were traveling last summer we found some gas station/convenience stores that had separate vanilla and cherry syrups you could add to your drinks.  Much better than what Coke is canning now, but still not as god as the old fountain drinks.  I’m with you on what Coke is mass producing – it just can’t compare to the "REAL" thing. — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me I like nonsense; it wakes up the brain cells. – Dr Suess – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Not a problem, Di.  She’s into Cherry Coke.  I remember them when they > were made at the local soda fountain.  I tried a new and, to me, positively > ghastly Coca Cola product.  "Vanilla Coke."  It tastes abit like what I > remember as Cream Soda only far sweeter.  One would be ahead just > putting a couple of cups refined sugar in a cup of plain Club Soda, adding > a few drops of Vanilla extract and stirring until the sugar went into > solution. > In the same genre I’ve found that terrible Pepsi Blue.  I’m sticking with my > Squirt and Citra.  Or one of those things with my friend Jose Cuervo in it. > Jose has been known to simplify lots of things.  I can’t remember what they > were but I’m sure he did them. > Be well, > Larry

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>Oh my goodness… I swear, Ivette (the massage therapist I saw this >morning) saved my life.

I am so glad, Ashley!!  Enjoy it while it lasts, and I hope it lasts a good long time. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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> Oh arry I remember those fountain cherry and vanilla Cokes too.  When > we were traveling last summer we found some gas station/convenience > stores that had separate vanilla and cherry syrups you could add to > your drinks.  Much better than what Coke is canning now, but still not > as god as the old fountain drinks.  I’m with you on what Coke is mass > producing – it just can’t compare to the "REAL" thing.

I remember those. I’ve been looking for years to find a vendor for cherry syrup.  There is a hamburger joint in Salt Lake that still serves them – plus Cherry-Limeades in the summer that will curl your toes.   Hires is the name of the place.  They have a couple of locations.  Of course, I’m now in Boston so it doesn’t do me a bit of good.  – Susan

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>Not a problem, Di.  She’s into Cherry Coke.  I remember them when they >were made at the local soda fountain.  I tried a new and, to me, positively >ghastly Coca Cola product.  "Vanilla Coke."  It tastes abit like what I >remember as Cream Soda only far sweeter.  One would be ahead just >putting a couple of cups refined sugar in a cup of plain Club Soda, adding >a few drops of Vanilla extract and stirring until the sugar went into >solution. >In the same genre I’ve found that terrible Pepsi Blue.  I’m sticking with my >Squirt and Citra.  Or one of those things with my friend Jose Cuervo in it. >Jose has been known to simplify lots of things.  I can’t remember what they >were but I’m sure he did them.

I personally think that the new pepsi/coke flavors are ghastly. They’ve replaced a lot of our vending machines at school that used to carry juice, gatorade, etc, with these new flavored sodas that taste absolutely horrible. Vanilla Coke is… ugh, gross. Pass the fresh squeezed juice, please. Ashley C.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh arry I remember those fountain cherry and vanilla Cokes too.  When > we were traveling last summer we found some gas station/convenience > stores that had separate vanilla and cherry syrups you could add to > your drinks.  Much better than what Coke is canning now, but still not > as god as the old fountain drinks.  I’m with you on what Coke is mass > producing – it just can’t compare to the "REAL" thing. >I remember those. I’ve been looking for years to find a vendor for >cherry syrup.  There is a hamburger joint in Salt Lake that still serves >them – plus Cherry-Limeades in the summer that will curl your toes.   >Hires is the name of the place.  They have a couple of locations.  Of >course, I’m now in Boston so it doesn’t do me a bit of good. > — Susan

It’s not exactly the same, but it DEFINITELY works in a pinch – Any place like a restaurant supply that has a full stock of coffee syrups will have cherry syrup that’s supposed to be for coffee or italian sodas. If you have a place called "Cash N Carry" they have a HUGE selection there, and they’re $2.50 a bottle for the 750ml bottles, as opposed to $7 in the grocery. They definitely have cherry, or any other flavor you can think of. Vanilla is readily available in any grocery store in the coffee aisle. Look for Torani or DaVinci syrups. Add that to your coke, or even to club soda (syrup + club soda = italian soda)  and you’ll be a happy camper, cuz it will be very close. Aim Be who you are and say what you feel Because those who mind don’t matter And those who matter don’t mind -Dr. Seuss http://www.aimgrrrl.com my Enbrel journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/aims_as_journal

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> Jayne – I think it depends on the practioner as well.  Are you trying the > same one? > — > Cyberhugs, > DianeW

No, a different one this time Diane.  It is actually my physiotherapist who has offered the treatment, and as I’ve nothing to lose it can’t hurt to try it.  The fact that it didn’t last time I put down to a great deal of stress at the time. Jayne

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If there were an acupuncturist (sp) in Montgomery, I would certainly try it for the bursitis in my left hip. Gwen

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Larry – Can’t ya cut the kid some slack and fix her up a Virging Something??????? — Cyberhugs, DianeW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think I have heard more bogus cures for arthritis in the past 2 days > than ever before. Might have something to do with those damn spammers > on this board. I have held my tongue against them cuz I’m like a > rotweiler when you get me mad… but otherwise I’m as gentle as a > puppy. Anyways, so I’m at the beauty salon (I used to work there as a > hostess 2 years ago) and this lady Patti who does all the facials and > stuff askes me how I’m doing. I told her about having RA, etc. She > tells me… "Oh! Go see this accupuncturist, he’ll fix you right up!" > I’m thinking…. riiiiiight. I don’t believe in accupuncture and > natural medicine because if it cured arthritis and other chronic > diseases, wouldn’t all our RD’s send us there instead of giving us > meds that can ruin our livers, etc. Just my two cents. > Don’t let the knucklehead spammers get to you too much, Little One. > If you do they will soon bombard your inbox with all sorts of crap. > Ignore all but the most obvious.  Then be very condescending and > encourage them to use their own product but that you will, do to a > temporary lack of funds, have to pass up this wonderful opportunity. > Ask them to send you a free 30-day supply sample.  Then say you > never received it and would they please send it again.  Should they > do so, claim your loving friend and pet dog, cat, canary, hamster > or White Rat ate some and died so you want the name of their lawyer > as you plan on suing their pants off cuz you really loved that poor > animal. > Now some of the homeopathic stuff that you may read about in here, > such as MSM, has worked for many.  That stuff we leave on "It’s an > individual choice thing.  If it works for you, great, however it did > nothing for me." basis.  Just remember the family’s motto and crest: > "Watch your wallet!"  "If it sounds too good to be true, it is!" > The scum I avoid at all times are those who claim "Medical Doctors > don’t really care about your health or your pain.  All they want is > your money.  All MDs get ‘kickbacks’ from Pharmaceutical companies > to prescribe their products."  I firmly believe those types live under > rocks in slimy places next to 99% of our nation’s lawyers. > Be well, kid, and know that while many of us do not respond to all > of your posts we do read them and pray for you when you are in > pain or are having a Bummer or Bad Hair Day. > Larry > PS  I wish you were three years older as I am the ASA Lounge > Bartender and I make some mean Margaritas and Daiquiris.  But, > DeeTee and Mama Char will always fix you a nice cup of Hot > Chocolate with lots of those little marshmallows on top.  Oh, > even if you don’t drink you can help yourself to the bar snacks, > popcorn, pretzels and those little fish that smile back at you > until you bite their heads off.

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> Larry – Can’t ya cut the kid some slack and fix her up a Virging > Something???????

Not a problem, Di.  She’s into Cherry Coke.  I remember them when they were made at the local soda fountain.  I tried a new and, to me, positively ghastly Coca Cola product.  "Vanilla Coke."  It tastes abit like what I remember as Cream Soda only far sweeter.  One would be ahead just putting a couple of cups refined sugar in a cup of plain Club Soda, adding a few drops of Vanilla extract and stirring until the sugar went into solution. In the same genre I’ve found that terrible Pepsi Blue.  I’m sticking with my Squirt and Citra.  Or one of those things with my friend Jose Cuervo in it. Jose has been known to simplify lots of things.  I can’t remember what they were but I’m sure he did them. Be well, Larry

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>Be well, kid, and know that while many of us do not respond to all >of your posts we do read them and pray for you when you are in >pain or are having a Bummer or Bad Hair Day

Thanks Larry! <hug> >PS  I wish you were three years older as I am the ASA Lounge >Bartender and I make some mean Margaritas and Daiquiris.  But, >DeeTee and Mama Char will always fix you a nice cup of Hot >Chocolate with lots of those little marshmallows on top.  Oh, >even if you don’t drink you can help yourself to the bar snacks, >popcorn, pretzels and those little fish that smile back at you >until you bite their heads off.

LOL… dangit, I knew I should have lied about how young I am! Just kidding!!!! BTW, I love those little fish, so keep ‘em coming!!! Ashley C.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, acupuncture holds my FM at bay. He keeps working on my eye, poor > guy and keeps feeling like he is letting me down. I don’t feel that way. > I limped into his office this week and walked out. It only last 10 hours > before the knee regained control and began to hurt again. But hey 10 > hours is 10 hours. Now as to cure, no but as to pain relief — for me it > is a resounding yes. And I have to say I stumbled over homeopathic > medicines during that 15 years when I was not diagnosed but told things > were in my head. Arnica was my lifeline then. So I snap the heads off of > spammers pushing their crap on here but feel that everyone has the right > to try anything they feel might help. > I used to use message [sp] therapy but that hurt during and sometimes > after to get the same relief that the acupuncturist causes with no pain. > I would recommend one if you get the chance. He won’t cure you, but he > might get you over the hump of a really bad spell. I use Japanese > Acupuncture as opposed Chinese but that is what I am use to. Char uses > acupuncture too. > Hope you didn’t slap Patti around too much — you might want to go back > and ask her who she goes to. hehehe > Duckie

I’m about to try acupuncture again.  The last time I tried it for my knees, I got nothing from it, but that coincided with the period that my dad was ill (terminally) and I was travelling a lot backwards and forwards to see him.  That wasn’t really a fair trial for it, with all the stress. I’m very hopeful I get some pain relief from it, as I’ve read quite a few people here who get good results. Jayne

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Jayne – I think it depends on the practioner as well.  Are you trying the same one? — Cyberhugs, DianeW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, acupuncture holds my FM at bay. He keeps working on my eye, poor > guy and keeps feeling like he is letting me down. I don’t feel that way. > I limped into his office this week and walked out. It only last 10 hours > before the knee regained control and began to hurt again. But hey 10 > hours is 10 hours. Now as to cure, no but as to pain relief — for me it > is a resounding yes. And I have to say I stumbled over homeopathic > medicines during that 15 years when I was not diagnosed but told things > were in my head. Arnica was my lifeline then. So I snap the heads off of > spammers pushing their crap on here but feel that everyone has the right > to try anything they feel might help. > I used to use message [sp] therapy but that hurt during and sometimes > after to get the same relief that the acupuncturist causes with no pain. > I would recommend one if you get the chance. He won’t cure you, but he > might get you over the hump of a really bad spell. I use Japanese > Acupuncture as opposed Chinese but that is what I am use to. Char uses > acupuncture too. > Hope you didn’t slap Patti around too much — you might want to go back > and ask her who she goes to. hehehe > Duckie > I’m about to try acupuncture again.  The last time I tried it for my knees, > I got nothing from it, but that coincided with the period that my dad was > ill (terminally) and I was travelling a lot backwards and forwards to see > him.  That wasn’t really a fair trial for it, with all the stress. > I’m very hopeful I get some pain relief from it, as I’ve read quite a few > people here who get good results. > Jayne

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Ashley, the Melinda you see around here is an acupuncture physician (don’t worry she won’t be upset with you for voicing your opinion).  She uses the term "complementary" medicine instead of "alternative" medicine.  I like that.  it means these other therapies can complement what the mainstream docs are doing for some people, but you don’t just throw your other docsout the window to try alternative stuff. You do have to pick and choose though.  There are an awful lot of folks out there pushing stuff that has never shown to do anyone any real good.  They’ve been crawling out from under the woodwork again lately around here. I hope that massage helps your back some.  It was sweet of your parents to do that. — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me I like nonsense; it wakes up the brain cells. – Dr Suess

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> I think I have heard more bogus cures for arthritis in the past 2 days > than ever before. Might have something to do with those damn spammers > on this board. I have held my tongue against them cuz I’m like a > rotweiler when you get me mad… but otherwise I’m as gentle as a > puppy. Anyways, so I’m at the beauty salon (I used to work there as a > hostess 2 years ago) and this lady Patti who does all the facials and > stuff askes me how I’m doing. I told her about having RA, etc. She > tells me… "Oh! Go see this accupuncturist, he’ll fix you right up!" > I’m thinking…. riiiiiight. I don’t believe in accupuncture and > natural medicine because if it cured arthritis and other chronic > diseases, wouldn’t all our RD’s send us there instead of giving us > meds that can ruin our livers, etc. Just my two cents.

Don’t let the knucklehead spammers get to you too much, Little One. If you do they will soon bombard your inbox with all sorts of crap. Ignore all but the most obvious.  Then be very condescending and encourage them to use their own product but that you will, do to a temporary lack of funds, have to pass up this wonderful opportunity. Ask them to send you a free 30-day supply sample.  Then say you never received it and would they please send it again.  Should they do so, claim your loving friend and pet dog, cat, canary, hamster or White Rat ate some and died so you want the name of their lawyer as you plan on suing their pants off cuz you really loved that poor animal. Now some of the homeopathic stuff that you may read about in here, such as MSM, has worked for many.  That stuff we leave on "It’s an individual choice thing.  If it works for you, great, however it did nothing for me." basis.  Just remember the family’s motto and crest: "Watch your wallet!"  "If it sounds too good to be true, it is!" The scum I avoid at all times are those who claim "Medical Doctors don’t really care about your health or your pain.  All they want is your money.  All MDs get ‘kickbacks’ from Pharmaceutical companies to prescribe their products."  I firmly believe those types live under rocks in slimy places next to 99% of our nation’s lawyers. Be well, kid, and know that while many of us do not respond to all of your posts we do read them and pray for you when you are in pain or are having a Bummer or Bad Hair Day. Larry PS  I wish you were three years older as I am the ASA Lounge Bartender and I make some mean Margaritas and Daiquiris.  But, DeeTee and Mama Char will always fix you a nice cup of Hot Chocolate with lots of those little marshmallows on top.  Oh, even if you don’t drink you can help yourself to the bar snacks, popcorn, pretzels and those little fish that smile back at you until you bite their heads off.

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>I’m thinking…. riiiiiight. I don’t believe in accupuncture and >natural medicine because if it cured arthritis and other chronic >diseases, wouldn’t all our RD’s send us there instead of giving us >meds that can ruin our l

Ashley honey-Most of the stuff out there is crap.  But acupuncture really DOES work.  Especially for FM pain. I was hurting so bad and nothing else was helping.  So I figured, why not?  I never expected it to work.  I was a real skeptic. IT WORKS! If you can find an acupuncturist, give it a try.  It wont hurt you, and just might help. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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I think I have heard more bogus cures for arthritis in the past 2 days than ever before. Might have something to do with those damn spammers on this board. I have held my tongue against them cuz I’m like a rotweiler when you get me mad… but otherwise I’m as gentle as a puppy. Anyways, so I’m at the beauty salon (I used to work there as a hostess 2 years ago) and this lady Patti who does all the facials and stuff askes me how I’m doing. I told her about having RA, etc. She tells me… "Oh! Go see this accupuncturist, he’ll fix you right up!" I’m thinking…. riiiiiight. I don’t believe in accupuncture and natural medicine because if it cured arthritis and other chronic diseases, wouldn’t all our RD’s send us there instead of giving us meds that can ruin our livers, etc. Just my two cents. -Ashley C. Ashley C. aka…. "Little One" www.ashleycanterbury.com

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Well, acupuncture holds my FM at bay. He keeps working on my eye, poor guy and keeps feeling like he is letting me down. I don’t feel that way. I limped into his office this week and walked out. It only last 10 hours before the knee regained control and began to hurt again. But hey 10 hours is 10 hours. Now as to cure, no but as to pain relief — for me it is a resounding yes. And I have to say I stumbled over homeopathic medicines during that 15 years when I was not diagnosed but told things were in my head. Arnica was my lifeline then. So I snap the heads off of spammers pushing their crap on here but feel that everyone has the right to try anything they feel might help. I used to use message [sp] therapy but that hurt during and sometimes after to get the same relief that the acupuncturist causes with no pain. I would recommend one if you get the chance. He won’t cure you, but he might get you over the hump of a really bad spell. I use Japanese Acupuncture as opposed Chinese but that is what I am use to. Char uses acupuncture too. Hope you didn’t slap Patti around too much — you might want to go back and ask her who she goes to. hehehe Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I think I have heard more bogus cures for arthritis in the past 2 days > than ever before. Might have something to do with those damn spammers > on this board. I have held my tongue against them cuz I’m like a > rotweiler when you get me mad… but otherwise I’m as gentle as a > puppy. Anyways, so I’m at the beauty salon (I used to work there as a > hostess 2 years ago) and this lady Patti who does all the facials and > stuff askes me how I’m doing. I told her about having RA, etc. She > tells me… "Oh! Go see this accupuncturist, he’ll fix you right up!" > I’m thinking…. riiiiiight. I don’t believe in accupuncture and > natural medicine because if it cured arthritis and other chronic > diseases, wouldn’t all our RD’s send us there instead of giving us > meds that can ruin our livers, etc. Just my two cents. > -Ashley C. > Ashley C. > aka…. "Little One" > www.ashleycanterbury.com

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Ashley – I haven’t had a chance to welcome you yet but Welcome to the sandbox!  I have RA as well as Multiple Sclerosis and Fibromyalgia.  You could say I have a lot of pain issues.  I know when I was first diagnosed everyone I knew had a cure for my problems.  Magnets, Noni juice, special vitamins, and most recently SeaSilver.  If they couldn’t get me to listen to them they would go to my husband who was much more willing to listen to their cure.  He was the one who brought home the idea of accupuncture.  A friend of ours had severe back pain and hadn’t been able to sleep in a bed for several years. Only in a recliner or on the floor was he able to get a fairly decent nights sleep.  After a few accupuncture treatments his pain was much better.  His back problem was still the same, but the pain was significantly diminished.  I decided to give it a try because I was having one of those times when just everything hurt so bad you couldn’t even hug me.  And guess what?  It helped.  I was very skeptical but it broke the pain cycle to a reasonable level.  I went 3 times a week for several weeks and then about once a month for a while after that.  There are several other folks on the NG who use accupuncture as well who may have some ideas on the subject.  I haven’t been since I am on blood thinners as I was told this is not a good idea but otherwise I would still be going. You certainly do have to weigh out all the hoaxes from the legit forms of treatments.  Natural Medicine does have it’s merits in my opinion when it comes to treating pain, but not the underlying disease.  I take a full range of supplements that do seem to help as when I go off of them my pain level increases.  Such things as evening primrose oil, cod liver oil, etc.  Things that tend to lower inflamation.  There has been a lot of talk here lately about keeping your liver healthy with milk thistle which I’m going to start taking.  Like accupuncture, some of these natural remedies go back thru the ages when it was all they had to treat diseases.  I don’t believe they can cure, but they often can make us feel better.  We all have to find a balance of what works for us and what we are comfortable with. Once again, welcome!  Keep your eye on your chocolate and I’ll see you around the jacuzzi! — Cyberhugs, DianeW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think I have heard more bogus cures for arthritis in the past 2 days > than ever before. Might have something to do with those damn spammers > on this board. I have held my tongue against them cuz I’m like a > rotweiler when you get me mad… but otherwise I’m as gentle as a > puppy. Anyways, so I’m at the beauty salon (I used to work there as a > hostess 2 years ago) and this lady Patti who does all the facials and > stuff askes me how I’m doing. I told her about having RA, etc. She > tells me… "Oh! Go see this accupuncturist, he’ll fix you right up!" > I’m thinking…. riiiiiight. I don’t believe in accupuncture and > natural medicine because if it cured arthritis and other chronic > diseases, wouldn’t all our RD’s send us there instead of giving us > meds that can ruin our livers, etc. Just my two cents. > -Ashley C. > Ashley C. > aka…. "Little One" > www.ashleycanterbury.com

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I could spend a couple of hours looking for your email address but thought this was quicker. Your package has arrived. I opened it quickly just now and things have arrived in beautiful condition. You are so very sweet. Now to go fiddle with the VCR…. Duckie

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Duckie, Glad to know you got them. Enclosed tapes are for "Noh dance" which seems to be quite static compared with your dynamic dances, but I like it too. It’s funny that I had a chance to enjoy the dances by Hildagh’s visit to our city, Nagoya. We didn’t have a chance to see the dance together, just had a lunch at the Noh theater then, but I found the enjoyment to see it afterward. Hope you enjoy it. Norio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I could spend a couple of hours looking for your email address but > thought this was quicker. > Your package has arrived. I opened it quickly just now and things have > arrived in beautiful condition. You are so very sweet. Now to go fiddle > with the VCR…. > Duckie

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I still haven’t seen the dancing yet — the vcr is not hooked to the tv and I couldn’t figure out which of those plugs go in which holes. John will fix things tonight for me. I told my acupuncturist today what you had sent and he was excited to see them too so I will share them with him. He practices Toyohari Japanese Acupuncture and spends some time each year in Japan. Thank you again. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Duckie, > Glad to know you got them. Enclosed tapes are for "Noh dance" which seems > to be quite static compared with your dynamic dances, but I like it too. > It’s funny that I had a chance to enjoy the dances by Hildagh’s visit > to our city, Nagoya. We didn’t have a chance to see the dance together, > just had a lunch at the Noh theater then, but I found the enjoyment to > see it afterward. > Hope you enjoy it. > Norio

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Thanks for checking in Susan.  We’ve missed you.  I hope 2003 brings improvement for both your mother and your husband.  Remember that I am only a couple of miles from your Mom should you need someone to run over and check on her. I am happy to report that I am in much less pain today, largely because of the acupuncture therapy I have been undergoing.  I also get my CPAP machine tomorrow and am looking forward to the promised extra energy and good night’s sleep.  So 2003 is looking up for me as well. May God bless you dear lady, and don’t forget to call if you need any help. Walt Hanks BTW, if you’ve lost my phone number, just let me know and I’ll email it to you. > I wanted to take the time to reach out to everyone at ASA and wish > them the very best for the year that has been born today. It is my > hope that 2003 will be a year in which we find new help for those > suffering from rheumatic and other illnesses. It is a good sign that > we begin this year with the approval of Humira, a new DMARD for the > patients with RA. Hopefully this is just an omen of better things to > come for all of you.

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And to you also.  I hope the New Year brings continued improvement for Jerry and your mother. Lyn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I wanted to take the time to reach out to everyone at ASA and wish > them the very best for the year that has been born today. It is my > hope that 2003 will be a year in which we find new help for those > suffering from rheumatic and other illnesses. It is a good sign that > we begin this year with the approval of Humira, a new DMARD for the > patients with RA. Hopefully this is just an omen of better things to > come for all of you. >      I am sorry to have been away but as many of you know I have been > distracted by both my own patients and my own family.  My husband > Jerry continues to improve from a fractured pelvis and vertebrae > sustained when he was hit while biking by a Dodge Caravan.  Through > him, I have unfortunately learned more about living with someone with > chronic mucsculoskeletal pain than I thought possible. He is > continuing to improve, walks only with a cane now, and is increasing > his strength and endurance. I thank you all for your kind words and > prayers for him. My mother who is 89 spent from May through September > either in the hospital or in a nursing home but somehow managed to > bounce back enough to move back into her own apartment with help. She > is currently stable but profoundly fragile as so many elderly people > are, I am grateful she is still here with me. >      My patients continue to grace me with their trust but as many of > you know from your own doctors, it is getting increasingly difficult > for rheumatologists and their patients what with insurance issues, > physician payments, cost of new medications, and mountains of > paperwork. So at times, one can feel discouraged. But it is a new year > and a time to count all ones blessings. >      May 2003 be a year of great joy and happiness, contentment, > relief from pain and suffering and peace for all. >      DrSusan

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We’ve missed having ou here, but we totally understand.  It’s great news that your husband and your mother are doing so well.  Take care and keep us posted.  You are part of the ASA family. — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me "To array a man’s will against his sickness is the supreme art of medicine." …Henry Ward Beecher

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And may you receive back some of what you have given over the years.  Your own compassion and care for others will come full circle, Susan, and will light your life for years to come.  We love you and think of you often. DeeTee DeeTee and Bob Taggart http://home.earthlink.net/~bdtaggart/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I wanted to take the time to reach out to everyone at ASA and wish > them the very best for the year that has been born today. It is my > hope that 2003 will be a year in which we find new help for those > suffering from rheumatic and other illnesses. It is a good sign that > we begin this year with the approval of Humira, a new DMARD for the > patients with RA. Hopefully this is just an omen of better things to > come for all of you. >      I am sorry to have been away but as many of you know I have been > distracted by both my own patients and my own family.  My husband > Jerry continues to improve from a fractured pelvis and vertebrae > sustained when he was hit while biking by a Dodge Caravan.  Through > him, I have unfortunately learned more about living with someone with > chronic mucsculoskeletal pain than I thought possible. He is > continuing to improve, walks only with a cane now, and is increasing > his strength and endurance. I thank you all for your kind words and > prayers for him. My mother who is 89 spent from May through September > either in the hospital or in a nursing home but somehow managed to > bounce back enough to move back into her own apartment with help. She > is currently stable but profoundly fragile as so many elderly people > are, I am grateful she is still here with me. >      My patients continue to grace me with their trust but as many of > you know from your own doctors, it is getting increasingly difficult > for rheumatologists and their patients what with insurance issues, > physician payments, cost of new medications, and mountains of > paperwork. So at times, one can feel discouraged. But it is a new year > and a time to count all ones blessings. >      May 2003 be a year of great joy and happiness, contentment, > relief from pain and suffering and peace for all. >      DrSusan

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Dr.Susan!  How wonderful to see your name on the group again.  I have been concerned about you, and am relieved to know you are well. So glad Dr.Jerry continues to improve. I sure understand about your mother.  Mine is similarly frail of body.  But her spirit remains amazingly tough, for which I am very grateful, as I know you are for your own mother. I hope you can find a little time for us, now and again.  You have been sorely missed.  Dr. Doc has dropped in a couple of times, since we last heard from you, but besides that we have been doctorless.  We have really missed you. May your new year be filled with peace and love and joy.  God bless. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Susan, You and Jerry are often in my thoughts and prayers.  I am so glad he is continuing to improve.  Any chance the two of you will get to Iowa for the gimpfest this year? Blessings for 2003 Melinda

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dr. susan, it’s so good to hear from you! we miss you more than you could know, but we’ve also worried about you and your husband and understand completely your need to focus on family. i am relieved to hear of his improvement. what a year you’ve had. take care of YOU, diane

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>May 2003 be a year of great joy and happiness, contentment, >relief from pain and suffering and peace for all.

Wishing you and Jerry a happy and healthy 2003. Thanks for checking in. — MZ Visit my website: http:\www.mzuschlag.com

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Glad to see your husband is still improving. Good health to you and yours for this year. Saw news this evening of mal-practice insurance issues with PA. I know that makes things tough. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I wanted to take the time to reach out to everyone at ASA and wish > them the very best for the year that has been born today. It is my > hope that 2003 will be a year in which we find new help for those > suffering from rheumatic and other illnesses. It is a good sign that > we begin this year with the approval of Humira, a new DMARD for the > patients with RA. Hopefully this is just an omen of better things to > come for all of you. >      I am sorry to have been away but as many of you know I have been > distracted by both my own patients and my own family.  My husband > Jerry continues to improve from a fractured pelvis and vertebrae > sustained when he was hit while biking by a Dodge Caravan.  Through > him, I have unfortunately learned more about living with someone with > chronic mucsculoskeletal pain than I thought possible. He is > continuing to improve, walks only with a cane now, and is increasing > his strength and endurance. I thank you all for your kind words and > prayers for him. My mother who is 89 spent from May through September > either in the hospital or in a nursing home but somehow managed to > bounce back enough to move back into her own apartment with help. She > is currently stable but profoundly fragile as so many elderly people > are, I am grateful she is still here with me. >      My patients continue to grace me with their trust but as many of > you know from your own doctors, it is getting increasingly difficult > for rheumatologists and their patients what with insurance issues, > physician payments, cost of new medications, and mountains of > paperwork. So at times, one can feel discouraged. But it is a new year > and a time to count all ones blessings. >      May 2003 be a year of great joy and happiness, contentment, > relief from pain and suffering and peace for all. >      DrSusan

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I wanted to take the time to reach out to everyone at ASA and wish them the very best for the year that has been born today. It is my hope that 2003 will be a year in which we find new help for those suffering from rheumatic and other illnesses. It is a good sign that we begin this year with the approval of Humira, a new DMARD for the patients with RA. Hopefully this is just an omen of better things to come for all of you.      I am sorry to have been away but as many of you know I have been distracted by both my own patients and my own family.  My husband Jerry continues to improve from a fractured pelvis and vertebrae sustained when he was hit while biking by a Dodge Caravan.  Through him, I have unfortunately learned more about living with someone with chronic mucsculoskeletal pain than I thought possible. He is continuing to improve, walks only with a cane now, and is increasing his strength and endurance. I thank you all for your kind words and prayers for him. My mother who is 89 spent from May through September either in the hospital or in a nursing home but somehow managed to bounce back enough to move back into her own apartment with help. She is currently stable but profoundly fragile as so many elderly people are, I am grateful she is still here with me.      My patients continue to grace me with their trust but as many of you know from your own doctors, it is getting increasingly difficult for rheumatologists and their patients what with insurance issues, physician payments, cost of new medications, and mountains of paperwork. So at times, one can feel discouraged. But it is a new year and a time to count all ones blessings.      May 2003 be a year of great joy and happiness, contentment, relief from pain and suffering and peace for all.      DrSusan

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To say thank you is not enough.  For many over the years, your words have more than helped many.  My RD has added another person to his office to help administrate and he already had a woman doing nothing else but dealing with insurance and the government.  Thanks for the update on your husband and yourself. happy new year Harv – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I wanted to take the time to reach out to everyone at ASA and wish > them the very best for the year that has been born today. It is my > hope that 2003 will be a year in which we find new help for those > suffering from rheumatic and other illnesses. It is a good sign that > we begin this year with the approval of Humira, a new DMARD for the > patients with RA. Hopefully this is just an omen of better things to > come for all of you. >      I am sorry to have been away but as many of you know I have been > distracted by both my own patients and my own family.  My husband > Jerry continues to improve from a fractured pelvis and vertebrae > sustained when he was hit while biking by a Dodge Caravan.  Through > him, I have unfortunately learned more about living with someone with > chronic mucsculoskeletal pain than I thought possible. He is > continuing to improve, walks only with a cane now, and is increasing > his strength and endurance. I thank you all for your kind words and > prayers for him. My mother who is 89 spent from May through September > either in the hospital or in a nursing home but somehow managed to > bounce back enough to move back into her own apartment with help. She > is currently stable but profoundly fragile as so many elderly people > are, I am grateful she is still here with me. >      My patients continue to grace me with their trust but as many of > you know from your own doctors, it is getting increasingly difficult > for rheumatologists and their patients what with insurance issues, > physician payments, cost of new medications, and mountains of > paperwork. So at times, one can feel discouraged. But it is a new year > and a time to count all ones blessings. >      May 2003 be a year of great joy and happiness, contentment, > relief from pain and suffering and peace for all. >      DrSusan

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I wanted Botox injections for the headache that has plagued me for a year, but my doctor couldn’t track down the headache specialist for any details. After about a month she tells me injections (yeah!) BUT they cast $500 to $700 per shot and, of course, the insurance company won’t foot the bill. They’ll pay for acupuncture but won’t pay for that. I stopped trying to understand the twisted pretzel logic of the insurance company; it gives me a headache.

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> I wanted Botox injections for the headache that has plagued me > for a year, but my doctor couldn’t track down the headache > specialist for any details. After about a month she tells me > injections (yeah!) BUT they cast $500 to $700 per shot and, of > course, the insurance company won’t foot the bill. They’ll pay > for acupuncture but won’t pay for that. I stopped trying to > understand the twisted pretzel logic of the insurance company; > it gives me a headache.

It’s hard to convince insurance that the botox you want is not for cosmetic purposes. I tried botox a few years ago, but pain doc had to clear it ahead of time (unusual for my policy). Sort of like the difference in having a nose job for breathing problems versus cosmetics – same procedure, but one is covered the other not. Who told you that your insurance won’t cover it? Did this come from your carrier, or just from him? Unless you heard it it directly and definitively, don’t give up – maybe he thinks it not covered because some other patient had that problem while your policy allows it. I know it’s a real PITA, but keep pushing, appealing, etc., there IS a ligitimate medical use for botox (that’s no guarantee of coverage, but it’s a start). I hope you can get coverage AND have it work for you. RoryDog

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My doctor had to fight for months just to get me oxycontin and they still haven’t approved Androgel, so I’m not gonna hold my breath waiting for a Botox shot. There’s a major teaching medical school nearby and I hope to see if there’s a study being done. Changing from oxycodone to vicodin has helped tremendously, but even a headache that’s a 1 on the pain scale can be a major pain (slight pun intended) when it goes on forever. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I wanted Botox injections for the headache that has plagued me > for a year, but my doctor couldn’t track down the headache > specialist for any details. After about a month she tells me > injections (yeah!) BUT they cast $500 to $700 per shot and, of > course, the insurance company won’t foot the bill. They’ll pay > for acupuncture but won’t pay for that. I stopped trying to > understand the twisted pretzel logic of the insurance company; > it gives me a headache. >It’s hard to convince insurance that the botox you want is not for >cosmetic purposes. I tried botox a few years ago, but pain doc had to >clear it ahead of time (unusual for my policy). Sort of like the >difference in having a nose job for breathing problems versus cosmetics >- same procedure, but one is covered the other not. >Who told you that your insurance won’t cover it? Did this come from your >carrier, or just from him? Unless you heard it it directly and >definitively, don’t give up – maybe he thinks it not covered because >some other patient had that problem while your policy allows it. I know >it’s a real PITA, but keep pushing, appealing, etc., there IS a >ligitimate medical use for botox (that’s no guarantee of coverage, but >it’s a start). >I hope you can get coverage AND have it work for you. >RoryDog

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Hi Walt,   You have highlighted the major problem people have in trying to control inflam.arth.  If it were me and all you have had to put up with, I would let the Methx go and move on to one of the new biologic treatments. Harv – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I had a follow-up with my ENT yesterday and he said I had a raging sinus > and ear infection.  Grrrrr. > What bothered me the most is that I hadn’t noticed it!  I am so used to > not hearing in that ear and to being in pain that I had no idea there > was anything going on.  That’s kind of scary. > So, I am on Biaxin – again – and am staying on the yeast meds.  My lab > work for the AIED wasn’t back yet, so I’ll see him again in three weeks. >  His parting comment was, " I’m not sure what we’re going to be able to > do about the AIED, since you get so many infections now.  I don’t think > we can suppress your immune system any more than it is now." > Oh goody.   > So, anybody have any bright ideas about how to suppress the inflammatory > response without leaving me in infection city? > Walt > BTW, no change with the acupuncture yet, but it is too early anyway.  I > have another treatment Monday.  Oh, and for those who’ve asked, no, the > needles don’t hurt.

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>So, anybody have any bright ideas about how to suppress the inflammatory >response without leaving me in infection city?

Prayers my friend.  Lots and lots of prayers! Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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What she said Walt. Isn’t the new, not yet FDA approved, D2E7 suppose to not have that infection side effect or am I just dreaming. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis > So, anybody have any bright ideas about how to suppress the inflammatory > response without leaving me in infection city? > Prayers my friend.  Lots and lots of prayers! > Char > "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. > We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty

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i wish i had some ideas for you, but i do have (((((((((((hugs)))))))))) to send your way, along with my prayerful healing thoughts. kate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I had a follow-up with my ENT yesterday and he said I had a raging sinus > and ear infection.  Grrrrr. > What bothered me the most is that I hadn’t noticed it!  I am so used to > not hearing in that ear and to being in pain that I had no idea there > was anything going on.  That’s kind of scary. > So, I am on Biaxin – again – and am staying on the yeast meds.  My lab > work for the AIED wasn’t back yet, so I’ll see him again in three weeks. >  His parting comment was, " I’m not sure what we’re going to be able to > do about the AIED, since you get so many infections now.  I don’t think > we can suppress your immune system any more than it is now." > Oh goody. > So, anybody have any bright ideas about how to suppress the inflammatory > response without leaving me in infection city? > Walt > BTW, no change with the acupuncture yet, but it is too early anyway.  I > have another treatment Monday.  Oh, and for those who’ve asked, no, the > needles don’t hurt.

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>> So, anybody have any bright ideas about how to suppress the inflammatory > response without leaving me in infection city?

How about kineret? I think the infection rate is lower than remicade or enbrel. I know I have had hardly any infections compared to the other DMARDs I have been on. ~KJ Akron, Ohio http://arthritisinsight.com Knowledge is power…support is essential. Tina’s Togs http://tinastogs.com Quality Plus Size and Vintage Fashions Coming soon to a puter near you!

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I had a follow-up with my ENT yesterday and he said I had a raging sinus and ear infection.  Grrrrr. What bothered me the most is that I hadn’t noticed it!  I am so used to not hearing in that ear and to being in pain that I had no idea there was anything going on.  That’s kind of scary. So, I am on Biaxin – again – and am staying on the yeast meds.  My lab work for the AIED wasn’t back yet, so I’ll see him again in three weeks.  His parting comment was, " I’m not sure what we’re going to be able to do about the AIED, since you get so many infections now.  I don’t think we can suppress your immune system any more than it is now." Oh goody.   So, anybody have any bright ideas about how to suppress the inflammatory response without leaving me in infection city? Walt BTW, no change with the acupuncture yet, but it is too early anyway.  I have another treatment Monday.  Oh, and for those who’ve asked, no, the needles don’t hurt.

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well said, and you are appreciated for the wider perspective you bring and the calm you help to spread! Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The interesting thing about complementary medicine is that it is just that: > complementary. > There are a number of people in this group who use complementary medicine (see > acupuncture thread). > If it is an either/or, there is a problem somewhere.  I have used chinese herbs > to treat pneumocistis pneumonia in patients with AIDS when antibiotics weren’t > working.  When Julie got a virulent antibiotic resistent staph infection this > summer and almost died, we used antibiotics and Chinese Herbs quite > successfully. > The model of either or medicine is one that I’d like to see long gone (I do not > use the tern alternative medicine because herbs, hypnosis, acupuncture, > massage, or the laying on of hands are complementary not instead of).  My role > in this newsgroup as a medical person has been to help people find strategies > to manage their health.  Herbs for rapid healing post surgery, hypnosis tapes, > thymus for Johnie’s valley fever, milk thistle to protect the liver and prayer, > lots and lots of prayer which is itself comlementary. > I have taken a different track with my RA.  I decided to maximize my immunity > (Harvard study of "worn out" T-cells makes that not as radical as one might > think).  I take herbs and supplements, I do acupuncture, I do hypnosis.  I > write affirmations.  Then I get overcommitted and take pred and when I take it > I bless it and thank God for allopathic medicine. > I want it all or at least the all the is synergistically acceptable. > M

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ME TOO! M, I use what works for me, period. Steven brought me a poultice to use for my burn and it’s wonderful…smells good, easy to wash off as opposed to the ointment that acts like glue, and the skin is beginning to look so much better….and I have no pain at all. It smells somewhat of sweet grass….and I can drift off to sleep with that…good for at night but not at work donnah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The interesting thing about complementary medicine is that it is just that: > complementary. > There are a number of people in this group who use complementary medicine (see > acupuncture thread). > If it is an either/or, there is a problem somewhere.  I have used chinese herbs > to treat pneumocistis pneumonia in patients with AIDS when antibiotics weren’t > working.  When Julie got a virulent antibiotic resistent staph infection this > summer and almost died, we used antibiotics and Chinese Herbs quite > successfully. > The model of either or medicine is one that I’d like to see long gone (I do not > use the tern alternative medicine because herbs, hypnosis, acupuncture, > massage, or the laying on of hands are complementary not instead of).  My role > in this newsgroup as a medical person has been to help people find strategies > to manage their health.  Herbs for rapid healing post surgery, hypnosis tapes, > thymus for Johnie’s valley fever, milk thistle to protect the liver and prayer, > lots and lots of prayer which is itself comlementary. > I have taken a different track with my RA.  I decided to maximize my immunity > (Harvard study of "worn out" T-cells makes that not as radical as one might > think).  I take herbs and supplements, I do acupuncture, I do hypnosis.  I > write affirmations.  Then I get overcommitted and take pred and when I take it > I bless it and thank God for allopathic medicine. > I want it all or at least the all the is synergistically acceptable. > M

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Oh sorry Melinda — I was thinking of only the stuff I stick into my mouth pre diagnosis. Yes, acupuncture has all but stopped my Fibro. And Milk Thistle to heal my liver…  But those complement the prescribed meds I am taking. And I do take a fist of vitamins everyday. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis > The interesting thing about complementary medicine is that it is just that: > complementary.   > There are a number of people in this group who use complementary medicine (see

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says… > There are a number of people in this group who use complementary medicine (see > acupuncture thread).

Early in my RA sentence I tried a number of complementary medicines.  I tried eliminating nightshades, a vegetarian diet (I am nearly a vegetarian now),  a number of different supplements like MSM, Glucosamine, high doses of anti-oxidants,  minerals, omega 3 oil (flax and fish).  I was taking more pills than I am now and more frequently.  Nothing seemed to help, and I also tried anti-biotic therapy for 5 months.  I still take milk thistle, a multi- vitamin, and I love massage as well.  Kayaking and rafting are a form of meditation I can almost put myself in a trance-like state. I become totally immersed in the moment… I notice every detail of my surroundings.  It’s extremely therapeutic.  Even when my RA was at it’s worst I could still row and paddle some.  I paid for it afterwards of course.  Something about the mind/body connection.   — MZ — Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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i agree.  i don’t like the term alternative medicine either.  many of the ‘alternative’/'complimentary’ and allopathic treatments are actually very ’supportive’ of each other.  so i call it supportive medicine treatments. personally, i tend to think of healing as a 3 pronged process, treating mind, body and spirit.  neglect one aspect of the whole person and the other two aspects inevitably will not be as effective in promoting healing as they might have been. along with treatments that assist healing at the molecular or biological levels to directly affect or modify disease prognosis and those treatments that ease physically manifested symptoms, i happen to believe that there is a need to enjoin the rest of the whole person in the healing process. mind-candy (treatments and things that assist and encourage the mind to seek and promote wellness for the whole person) and spirit-candy (things and treatments that encourage the spirit of the individual to actively see themselves as being more than their disease and/or the effects the disease has on their mind and body, to help sustain that which their mind and body is making use of to heal itself).  it is supportive medicine, not alternative (as in ”either or”) medicine. kate

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The interesting thing about complementary medicine is that it is just that: > complementary. > There are a number of people in this group who use complementary medicine (see > acupuncture thread). > If it is an either/or, there is a problem somewhere.  I have used chinese herbs > to treat pneumocistis pneumonia in patients with AIDS when antibiotics weren’t > working.  When Julie got a virulent antibiotic resistent staph infection this > summer and almost died, we used antibiotics and Chinese Herbs quite > successfully. > The model of either or medicine is one that I’d like to see long gone (I do not > use the tern alternative medicine because herbs, hypnosis, acupuncture, > massage, or the laying on of hands are complementary not instead of).  My role > in this newsgroup as a medical person has been to help people find strategies > to manage their health.  Herbs for rapid healing post surgery, hypnosis tapes, > thymus for Johnie’s valley fever, milk thistle to protect the liver and prayer, > lots and lots of prayer which is itself comlementary. > I have taken a different track with my RA.  I decided to maximize my immunity > (Harvard study of "worn out" T-cells makes that not as radical as one might > think).  I take herbs and supplements, I do acupuncture, I do hypnosis.  I > write affirmations.  Then I get overcommitted and take pred and when I take it > I bless it and thank God for allopathic medicine. > I want it all or at least the all the is synergistically acceptable. > M

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Your sign off is very interesting in the light of the fact that there is a nutritional discovery that has unfolded over the last 10 years and is now beginning to influence mainstream medicine. The nutritional discovery is that a group of 8 sugars are found to form the basis of proper immune function.  In Australia it is an allowable health claim that the symptoms of pain and swelling of RA are relieved. (Before people jump up and down, note I did not say "boost" the immune system, I said "proper" immune function.) There is a wealth of science available showing the operation of these sugars. It is a most fascinating development in nutritional science. kind regards David

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> NO. > When you find an herb that can stop the destruction of bone by preventing > Osteoclasts, the cells responsible for bone destruction that are set off by > an over active immune system (ie RA) and prove it in controlled clinical > studies, I guarantee you will be a billionaire. Until then… > Stay sweet! > Penny > Risk vs. Rewards— risk I get a cold or infection, stop my drug for a few > days and go back on my Enbrel. Reward, I get my life back, for the first > time in 10 years a drug in only 2 weeks has made me not only feel like I can > walk again but from the science I’ve learned will prevent my bones from > melting together where I can not use my hands them at all for the rest of my > life and I plan on living a long time. No vitamin ever did that for me. > Has anybody here had any success at all with any complemenary products? It > seems the drugs have differing degrees of effectiveness and all are toxic. > The most common thing seems to be the willingness to continue despite a > comfortable result. It would be interesting to note a similar survey for non > prescribed supplements. > regards > David >> I have my Fibromyalgia under control & tell how at >> http://home.mn.rr.com/apbiii/my-meds.html >> I also have OA & DDD which went undiagnosed for years because of the >> fibro label & that isn’t controlled or treated other than otc drugs >> because of no insurance. >> GramPaHugs, >> Alex, >>> How many of you have satisfactory disease control, >>> and how long did it take before control was achieved.  Any other >>> comments etc you want to make. >>>  – MZ >>> Visit my website: >>> http://www.mzuschlag.com >> — >>  Any information is included for informational >>  or entertainment purposes only, No endorsement is implied or >> intended. >>  Before taking any supplement check with your pharmacist for drug >> interactions. >> * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w   M/SP Mn >> * Care giver to THE SACRED TEMPLE CATS of the Kingdom of W.H.I.N.E. >> * <a href="http://home.mn.rr.com/apbiii/whine.html">AOL Click</a> >> * Medical Links for Fibromyalgia, Arthritis, ME/CFIDS, >> * <a href="http://home.mn.rr.com/apbiii/medical.htm">AOL Click</a> >> * Photos http://barna.dns2go.com/ >> * Don’t worry about life, >> *  you’re not going to survive it anyway

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The interesting thing about complementary medicine is that it is just that: complementary.   There are a number of people in this group who use complementary medicine (see acupuncture thread). If it is an either/or, there is a problem somewhere.  I have used chinese herbs to treat pneumocistis pneumonia in patients with AIDS when antibiotics weren’t working.  When Julie got a virulent antibiotic resistent staph infection this summer and almost died, we used antibiotics and Chinese Herbs quite successfully. The model of either or medicine is one that I’d like to see long gone (I do not use the tern alternative medicine because herbs, hypnosis, acupuncture, massage, or the laying on of hands are complementary not instead of).  My role in this newsgroup as a medical person has been to help people find strategies to manage their health.  Herbs for rapid healing post surgery, hypnosis tapes, thymus for Johnie’s valley fever, milk thistle to protect the liver and prayer, lots and lots of prayer which is itself comlementary. I have taken a different track with my RA.  I decided to maximize my immunity (Harvard study of "worn out" T-cells makes that not as radical as one might think).  I take herbs and supplements, I do acupuncture, I do hypnosis.  I write affirmations.  Then I get overcommitted and take pred and when I take it I bless it and thank God for allopathic medicine. I want it all or at least the all the is synergistically acceptable. M

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NO. When you find an herb that can stop the destruction of bone by preventing Osteoclasts, the cells responsible for bone destruction that are set off by an over active immune system (ie RA) and prove it in controlled clinical studies, I guarantee you will be a billionaire. Until then… Stay sweet! Penny Risk vs. Rewards— risk I get a cold or infection, stop my drug for a few days and go back on my Enbrel. Reward, I get my life back, for the first time in 10 years a drug in only 2 weeks has made me not only feel like I can walk again but from the science I’ve learned will prevent my bones from melting together where I can not use my hands them at all for the rest of my life and I plan on living a long time. No vitamin ever did that for me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Has anybody here had any success at all with any complemenary products? It > seems the drugs have differing degrees of effectiveness and all are toxic. > The most common thing seems to be the willingness to continue despite a > comfortable result. It would be interesting to note a similar survey for non > prescribed supplements. > regards > David > I have my Fibromyalgia under control & tell how at > http://home.mn.rr.com/apbiii/my-meds.html > I also have OA & DDD which went undiagnosed for years because of the > fibro label & that isn’t controlled or treated other than otc drugs > because of no insurance. > GramPaHugs, > Alex, >> How many of you have satisfactory disease control, >> and how long did it take before control was achieved.  Any other >> comments etc you want to make. >>  – MZ >> Visit my website: >> http://www.mzuschlag.com > — >  Any information is included for informational >  or entertainment purposes only, No endorsement is implied or > intended. >  Before taking any supplement check with your pharmacist for drug > interactions. > * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w   M/SP Mn > * Care giver to THE SACRED TEMPLE CATS of the Kingdom of W.H.I.N.E. > * <a href="http://home.mn.rr.com/apbiii/whine.html">AOL Click</a> > * Medical Links for Fibromyalgia, Arthritis, ME/CFIDS, > * <a href="http://home.mn.rr.com/apbiii/medical.htm">AOL Click</a> > * Photos http://barna.dns2go.com/ > * Don’t worry about life, > *  you’re not going to survive it anyway

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